Koran dated to before Muhamad birth.

[outhouse]

then how you explain a simple man changing the history of the Arabian Peninsula

With a sword and blood spilled.

That part of the world was also looking for a way to follow monotheism, as polytheism was a dying way to worship.

Mohammed wasn't a king or a leader

is that honest?

 

[outhouse]

For example i don't believe that a man can be God in flesh as some Christians believe and they have faith in Jesus

Well credible history does not follow that jesus was any more then a man crucified.

As credible history also sees muhammad as a warlord who spread his theology with a sword, after plagiarizing the bile.

 

[FearGod]

All faith is blind because at the end of the day you're going by your gut feelings, that's why it's called faith. Basically faith means it's not a fact, you believe it because it requires faith to work, there's no evidence for it.

Not facts, but can be supported by facts.

As for suggesting that God being a man means blind faith because it's not logical to you, I suppose believing in flying angels, splitting the moon in half, and traveling from Mecca to Jerusalem then to heaven all in a single night makes more sense to believe in? You see that's the problem with religion, it's not logical, therefore the word logic should not be used here to describe one's faith.

I don't believe about travelling to heaven but yes i believe about travelling from Mecca to Jerusalem, the story of travelling to heaven is a funny story mentioned in Hadith which doesn't make any sense to me and it isn't confirmed by the quran.

 

[outhouse]

I'm glad you realise how irritating it is when someone tries to derail a topic with their own thread

But you don't have a clue what is relevant to a thread historically speaking.

What you view as derailing very well could be reality of the situation. But you would not know it at all, most of the time posting from faith not evidence.

 

[columbus]

Yes i understand and agree with you, but that is a blind faith.

For example i don't believe that a man can be God in flesh as some Christians believe and they have faith in Jesus
as being God and son of God, for me it doesn't make any sense but if in a case that i have such kind of faith then it is a blind one.

You believe that Allah sent an angel to deliver the Quran to Muhammad and it is His final Word.
That myfriend is also blind faith.
Tom

 

[outhouse]

You believe that Allah sent an angel to deliver the Quran to Muhammad and it is His final Word.
That myfriend is also blind faith.
Tom

Not just bland faith, its fanaticism.

People refusing reality and using faith is what makes faith dangerous.


When people refuse academia, its never good.

 

[FearGod]

With a sword and blood spilled.

That part of the world was also looking for a way to follow monotheism, as polytheism was a dying way to worship.

If you know how the condition was in the Arabian Peninsula before Mohammed then you may understand how great he was.

is that honest?

Yes, Mohammed was a very simple man before receiving the revelation.

 

[paarsurrey]

Maybe of interest also:

Traces of Bilingualism/Multilingualism in Qur'anic Arabic

The website is not accessible. I could not open it.
Regards

 

[Augustus]

The website is not accessible. I could not open it.
Regards

https://www.academia.edu/4730102/Traces_of_Bilingualism_Multilingualism_in_Quranic_Arabic


If it still doesn't work, google this "Traces of Bilingualism/Multilingualism in Qur'anic Arabic"

 

[Godobeyer]

You believe that Allah sent an angel to deliver the Quran to Muhammad and it is His final Word.
That myfriend is also blind faith.
Tom

I believe faith is something could not be explained , it's looks like love ...etc

its close to convince but it's not , maybe we are luck that we have faith in God

 

[FearGod]

You believe that Allah sent an angel to deliver the Quran to Muhammad and it is His final Word.
That myfriend is also blind faith.
Tom

I believe in the body and soul, Angels can move from one place to another as souls and can occupy any physical body, but i don't believe about the flying angels having very large wings.

 

[outhouse]

I believe faith is something could not be explained

Have you ever looked up the definition of faith?


It simple means belief in something where there is no evidence. IT IS factually explained in simple terms.


I think many just refuse education and knowledge because it opens a door they run from! and that doors name is reality.

 

[FearGod]

Exactly faith ! not evidence of any kind.

What he achieved is the evidence.

 

[Godobeyer]

Have you ever looked up the definition of faith?


It simple means belief in something where there is no evidence. IT IS factually explained in simple terms.


I think many just refuse education and knowledge because it opens a door they run from! and that doors name is reality.

so you claim education and knowledge are against faith ?

so that mean all scientists in world , suppose to be athiests for your opinion ?

 

[outhouse]

What he achieved is the evidence.

It is evidence he plagiarized the bible, and many traditions to that geographic location at that time period.

NOTHING more.

 

[SuperScript22]

Not facts, but can be supported by facts.

Again, when something is supported by facts you no longer need to believe in it because it would be proven either right or wrong. Also may I ask what your facts are to support your faith?

I don't believe about travelling to heaven but yes i believe about travelling from Mecca to Jerusalem, the story of travelling to heaven is a funny story mentioned in Hadith which doesn't make any sense to me and it isn't confirmed by the quran.

You denied one but still believe in the other stuff which makes no sense, you also believe in a lot of Biblical stories (Because they're also in the Quran) that make no sense.

I believe faith is something could not be explained , it's looks like love ...etc

its close to convince but it's not , maybe we are luck that we have faith in God

Love is merely a chemical reaction in the human brain much like many other feelings, I suppose having faith falls in a similar category, brain chemical reactions to events in your life.

 

[outhouse]

so claim education and knowledge is against faith ?

Your missing the point. There is a difference brother between fanaticism and faith.

Fanaticism is to throw out education and knowledge.

Faith is to believe something not based on evidence.

Faith is a belief

Fanaticism is a negative conscious action, based on faith.

so that mean all scientists in world , suppose to be athiests for your opinion ?

Nope many great scientist have faith and theism.


They just have less fanaticism and fundamentalism.

 

[FearGod]

It is evidence he plagiarized the bible, and many traditions to that geographic location at that time period.

NOTHING more.

Changing a barbarian tribe to the Islamic great empire is what i regard as a great job.

 

[Godobeyer]

Your missing the point. There is a difference brother between fanaticism and faith.

Fanaticism is to throw out education and knowledge.

Faith is to believe something not based on evidence.

Faith is a belief

Fanaticism is a negative conscious action, based on faith.





Nope many great scientist have faith and theism.


They just have less fanaticism and fundamentalism.

I was talking about faith not fanaticism

 

[FearGod]

Again, when something is supported by facts you no longer need to believe in it because it would be proven either right or wrong. Also may I ask what your facts are to support your faith?.

Some verses in the quran speaking about facts that we know today and can never be known by a man in the 7th century besides the prophet prophecies.

You denied one but still believe in the other stuff which makes no sense, you also believe in a lot of Biblical stories (Because they're also in the Quran) that make no sense..

It make sense to me to travel in high speed from Mecca to Jerusalem, the Buraq which was the tool of travelling is derived from the word the lightning which means the speed of light according to the Arabic word in the quran.

What biblical stories that mentioned in the quran which makes no sense, examples pls.