Lack of belief in gods.

[Thief]

I never said it wasn't God. There was no "nay saying". You need to learn how to read.

I asked you for your evidence. Which is a very reasonable question, since you are claiming 95.1% of the universe is God.

go back and proof read the thread.....

as for proof....
no photo, no fingerprint, no equation and no repeatable experiment will be offered.

all you can do is think about it

and you seem unwilling

 

[Jeremiahcp]

go back and proof read the thread.....

as for proof....
no photo, no fingerprint, no equation and no repeatable experiment will be offered.

all you can do is think about it

and you seem unwilling

It is just the God of the gaps, and it very simplistic. What I am asking for is some evidence to back up your claims. There is nothing wrong with making a hypothesis or a thesis, but when you fail to support them then all you have is a baseless opinion.

Maybe you like to be that sloppy with your thoughts, but I am after truth, not opinion. That is the difference between you and I. All you care about is your opinion, while I want truth.

Maybe you'll stay like this for the rest of life, or maybe when you grow a bit you'll realize you don't know everything, but until that happens I don't really think you have much of value to offer me.

 

[1AOA1]

That assumes they actually saw something. That is not in evidence. Most people who claim to have "experiences" with gods don't actually have any demonstrable experiences, they experience something they cannot explain and they arbitrarily assign a cause that they cannot demonstrate actually caused it.

So before there is proof of God, there must first be proof that God is doing something, and before proving that God is doing something, there must first be proof of God. Can bacteria be demonstrated without using something that cannot be explained or an unknown (an unknown is anything that is not something already known to be something besides bacteria)?

 

[psychoslice]

not I ....I believe in life after death

Yes a dead belief that just isn't going to happen.

 

[Cephus]

So before there is proof of God, there must first be proof that God is doing something, and before proving that God is doing something, there must first be proof of God. Can bacteria be demonstrated without using something that cannot be explained or an unknown (an unknown is anything that is not something already known to be something besides bacteria)?

You don't have to prove God does anything before proving God. You just have to produce objective evidence for the factual existence of this imaginary friend you pretend you have. Funny how nobody does that? And without that, why should anyone in their right mind believe that this god-thing exists? Any more than you should believe in bacteria before there is any evidence that bacteria exists. It's just wishful thinking and childish emotional coddling to believe in anything, regardless of what it is, before there is evidence to support it.

 

[Thief]

You don't have to prove God does anything before proving God. You just have to produce objective evidence for the factual existence of this imaginary friend you pretend you have. Funny how nobody does that? And without that, why should anyone in their right mind believe that this god-thing exists? Any more than you should believe in bacteria before there is any evidence that bacteria exists. It's just wishful thinking and childish emotional coddling to believe in anything, regardless of what it is, before there is evidence to support it.

a lot of things have existed....before any evidence was found

the lack of evidence is not proof of non-existence

 

[Thief]

It is just the God of the gaps, and it very simplistic. What I am asking for is some evidence to back up your claims. There is nothing wrong with making a hypothesis or a thesis, but when you fail to support them then all you have is a baseless opinion.

Maybe you like to be that sloppy with your thoughts, but I am after truth, not opinion. That is the difference between you and I. All you care about is your opinion, while I want truth.

Maybe you'll stay like this for the rest of life, or maybe when you grow a bit you'll realize you don't know everything, but until that happens I don't really think you have much of value to offer me.

it's not opinion
substance won't move until motivated
and it has no 'self' motivation

Spirit first

 

[Cephus]

a lot of things have existed....before any evidence was found

the lack of evidence is not proof of non-existence

Which may be true, but that doesn't excuse the utter stupidity of BELIEVING in them before the evidence is found.

 

[Thief]

Which may be true, but that doesn't excuse the utter stupidity of BELIEVING in them before the evidence is found.

yeah right.....
and without belief.....some exploration might never have taken place

and without belief....many will be left standing wherever they fell
(not having a sense of exploration anyway)

 

[Cephus]

yeah right.....
and without belief.....some exploration might never have taken place

and without belief....many will be left standing wherever they fell
(not having a sense of exploration anyway)

You don't explore what you already believe to be true, you explore to find out what is actually true. Holding unsubstantiated beliefs stop exploration, not cause it.

 

[Thief]

You don't explore what you already believe to be true, you explore to find out what is actually true. Holding unsubstantiated beliefs stop exploration, not cause it.

and the universe has a Cause.

substance cannot 'self' start

look for the Cause

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

and the universe has a Cause.

substance cannot 'self' start

look for the Cause

That is, of course, totally unhelpful. All you do is imply that your "Cause" is something other than "substance," but what could that be? Idly saying "Spirit" actually says nothing at all, and there's also zero reason why "substance cannot self-start" but "spirit can." That's just something you say to end the argument, but there's nothing whatever in it.

And more to the point, even if you "look for the cause," what do you think you can actually know about that "cause?" Nothing -- nothing whatever. You can only make it up, invent a story that satisfies what it is you think you see and how it came to be. That's all Genesis does. That's all the Qur'an does. That's all any of the myths and fables of the entirety of human history has ever done. Unless, of course, you've got some evidence to the contrary, other than what those books have actually said.

 

[Thief]

That is, of course, totally unhelpful. All you do is imply that your "Cause" is something other than "substance," but what could that be? Idly saying "Spirit" actually says nothing at all, and there's also zero reason why "substance cannot self-start" but "spirit can." That's just something you say to end the argument, but there's nothing whatever in it.

And more to the point, even if you "look for the cause," what do you think you can actually know about that "cause?" Nothing -- nothing whatever. You can only make it up, invent a story that satisfies what it is you think you see and how it came to be. That's all Genesis does. That's all the Qur'an does. That's all any of the myths and fables of the entirety of human history has ever done. Unless, of course, you've got some evidence to the contrary, other than what those books have actually said.

substance will remain at rest until moved.......by something

that can only be Spirit
the universe had a beginning
set in motion by.......'something'

 

[Cephus]

and the universe has a Cause.

substance cannot 'self' start

look for the Cause

Yet you seem to think your imaginary friend has no cause. Inventing an exception to your rule because you wish it was true is not rational.

 

[Thief]

Yet you seem to think your imaginary friend has no cause. Inventing an exception to your rule because you wish it was true is not rational.

the hall of mirror trick has a beginning

one item

Spirit

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

substance will remain at rest until moved.......by something

that can only be Spirit
the universe had a beginning
set in motion by.......'something'

And yet still entirely meaningless. We are in the same place, and yet not in the same place: the same place because neither of us knows anything on this topic, not in the same place because you actually think you do, and I know that I don't.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

There would be no way to even verify something as the "first cause" if such a thing even exist. I mean how would anyone know it is the first?


Also, just because we think in a linear fashion that does not mean existence moves in a straight line.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

it's not opinion
substance won't move until motivated
and it has no 'self' motivation

Spirit first

Please your views are fickle as ever, you'll call anything you don't understand God. Your expressed views of God are all over the place in this thread. I mean all I had to do was mention dark matter and suddenly you are calling it God, even though you had previously claimed God was the "first cause". You are willing to slap the God label on anything as long as you can pretend you are right.

That is what lovers of opinion do, they shift all over the place, because they don't care about truth.

 

[Thief]

Please your views are fickle as ever, you'll call anything you don't understand God. Your expressed views of God are all over the place in this thread. I mean all I had to do was mention dark matter and suddenly you are calling it God, even though you had previously claimed God was the "first cause". You are willing to slap the God label on anything as long as you can pretend you are right.

That is what lovers of opinion do, they shift all over the place, because they don't care about truth.

you have not rebutted any of my beliefs....
you are simply placing adjectives that you like in your complaints

substance will not move of it's own volition.
the primary singularity moved.....
something moved it

Spirit first.

Someone had to be first in mind and heart.....
that would be God

 

[Thief]

And yet still entirely meaningless. We are in the same place, and yet not in the same place: the same place because neither of us knows anything on this topic, not in the same place because you actually think you do, and I know that I don't.

that was ......less than needed
it resolved nothing

note my previous post.

and believe in science
nothing moves.....unless moved