Lack of belief in gods.

Revoltingest · Mar 20, 2017

Jeremiahcp said:
I agree in the modern world that seems to be the general shape that faith takes on, but I think there may be an argument for another type of faith. I think now-a-days people have become more focused on objectively justifying God than they use to be.

To give you the short and sloppy I am gonna just gonna quote a webpage.

11 Most Important Philosophical Quotations.

Faith which acknowledges the possibility of being wrong becomes belief.
Belief is superior because it's compatible with doubt.

Jeremiahcp · Mar 20, 2017

Revoltingest said:
Faith which acknowledges the possibility of being wrong becomes belief.
Belief is superior because it's compatible with doubt.

I think what Kierkegaard is talking about is different.

He is saying the whole thing is absurd and there is no rational reason to believe, then with that acknowledgment, he said the leap of faith is to make a subjective investment and believe for emotional reasons instead.

It is a faith that comes from the heart instead of the head. What people are trying to peddle in this thread is faith that comes from the head; it is not faith at all it is just sloppy reasoning.

Curious George · Mar 21, 2017

Thief said:
no really......

ALL of science relies on the experiment
and the experiment MUST have cause and effect

for every cause there is an effect
for every effect.....there is a Cause

So you hold that there is nothing random? And if I come up with something that is random you will change your tune and say, "lo and behold, thief was wrong?"

Cephus · Mar 21, 2017

Thief said:
so do you....look up

substance is not self motivating

God is the Cause

So you've got nothing, just like everyone expected. Color me not remotely impressed.

Thumper · Mar 21, 2017

Thief said:
no really......

ALL of science relies on the experiment
and the experiment MUST have cause and effect

for every cause there is an effect
for every effect.....there is a Cause

Then what caused God? Who were his parents?

Thief · Mar 21, 2017

Jeremiahcp said:
"a gov survey test went through my school when i was 13"

You are gonna have to do a lot better than that.

and you have done better?

unlikely

Thief · Mar 21, 2017

Thumper said:
Then what caused God? Who were his parents?

the hall of mirror trick stops somewhere......like this.....

Someone had to be First

Thief · Mar 21, 2017

Curious George said:
So you hold that there is nothing random? And if I come up with something that is random you will change your tune and say, "lo and behold, thief was wrong?"

Chaos is now a science.....

Thief · Mar 21, 2017

Cephus said:
So you've got nothing, just like everyone expected. Color me not remotely impressed.

your sense of ....'impressed' is not the standard to meet

Thumper · Mar 21, 2017

Thief said:
the hall of mirror trick stops somewhere......like this.....
Someone had to be First

Someone? And this entity was created uncaused ex nihilo? No parents? ... You're just making stuff up.

Thief · Mar 21, 2017

Thumper said:
Someone? And this entity was created uncaused ex nihilo? No parents? ... You're just making stuff up.

none the less.....

Someone had to be First

Jeremiahcp · Mar 21, 2017

Thief said:
and you have done better?

unlikely

Much, much, much, much, much, much better. I am sorry but a survey you took when you were 13 does not make you an authority. It was silly to even suggest it does.

There are two types of studies in science, experimental and observational. Now can you tell me the difference between the two?

Thief · Mar 21, 2017

Jeremiahcp said:
Much, much, much, much, much, much better. I am sorry but a survey you took when you were 13 does not make you an authority. It was silly to even suggest it does.

There are two types of studies in science, experimental and observational. Now can you tell me the difference between the two?

your set of limits.....are your limitations

Someone had to be First

deal with it

Jeremiahcp · Mar 21, 2017

Thief said:
your set of limits.....are your limitations

Someone had to be First

deal with it

Another straw man. We were discussing your vast scientific knowledge based on a survey you took when you 13 and how you doing well on this survey made you the ultimate science know it all.

Now you said all science is experiment, but that is not true as some science is observational. Do you know the difference between the two? Since you ignored this question and engaged in your typical change-the-subject fashion I doubt you do.

Btw, it is not a "someone" it is something. You are anthropomorphizing, and you have given no reason to assume a need for a "first cause".

I have this crazy idea: Perhaps existence exist and functions in a way we don't have knowledge of and may not even be able to comprehend. And just maybe you don't know how all of reality works because you believe you witnessed something we call cause and effect.

Cephus · Mar 21, 2017

Thief said:
your sense of ....'impressed' is not the standard to meet

Nope, but then again, I, and everyone else, is welcome to think that you're full of it.

Thief · Mar 21, 2017

Jeremiahcp said:
Another straw man. We were discussing your vast scientific knowledge based on a survey you took when you 13 and how you doing well on this survey made you the ultimate science know it all.

Now you said all science is experiment, but that is not true as some science is observational. Do you know the difference between the two? Since you ignored this question and engaged in your typical change-the-subject fashion I doubt you do.

Btw, it is not a "someone" it is something. You are anthropomorphizing, and you have given no reason to assume a need for a "first cause".

I have this crazy idea: Perhaps existence exist and functions in a way we don't have knowledge of and may not even be able to comprehend. And just maybe you don't know how all of reality works because you believe you witnessed something we call cause and effect.

and science has observed expansion.....and in regression believes the universe to have a
point of origin.....Genesis

and I don't think of God as human

and we are not discussing my science recitals

we are discussing your lack of belief

psychoslice · Mar 21, 2017

Lack of belief in gods, it doesn't sound right, if I lack something like vitamin C, then its something I need, but how can I lack a belief in a god when god isn't something I need or ever did need ?.

Thief · Mar 21, 2017

psychoslice said:
Lack of belief in gods, it doesn't sound right, if I lack something like vitamin C, then its something I need, but how can I lack a belief in a god when god isn't something I need or ever did need ?.

people used to die from scurvy

they did not know what they needed

psychoslice · Mar 21, 2017

Thief said:
people used to die from scurvy

they did not know what they needed

But we do now, and we certainly don't need god if that is what you are trying to say.

Thief · Mar 21, 2017

psychoslice said:
But we do now, and we certainly don't need god if that is what you are trying to say.

and life is to short to secure a list of what you do need

you will....as do we all....die in need

but of course...
your lack of faith will negate a need for continuation

no problem.....right?

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