Language, the most lovely evidence of God.

[Eliot Wild]

Well I certainly disagree with this , our digestive system is a miracle intelligent design, and could ONLY be a design, its too perfect. And obvious proof of God. The digestive system is a tract, a unique series of hollow organs joined in a long twisting tube from the mouth to the anus and other organs that help the body break down and absorb food. The mouth, esophagus, stomach, small intestines and large( which is also refered to as the colon), rectum and anus. Its stunning evidence of Gods ability to design.

Peace.

Ohh, you got me, Mickiel. I certainly can't disagree with that. It is just too brilliantly funny to object to. I find myself forced to concede out of the sheer hilarity that comes with writing, "Yes, the anus is certainly fine proof of God's existence."

 

[Hijabihippie]

I find it interesting/amusing that the discussion has focused on sound. That is not the only way of creating language as the existence of Sign Languages proves. American Sign Language has been recognized as a language by the Modern Language Association. Guatemalan Sign Language is an emerging sign language, spontaneously being created by Deaf children. Thank God, it is being allowed to emerge without attempts to stop it, or influence it. Berber Sign Language is a "pure" language, with no outside influences.

 

[mickiel]

Ohh, you got me, Mickiel. I certainly can't disagree with that. It is just too brilliantly funny to object to. I find myself forced to concede out of the sheer hilarity that comes with writing, "Yes, the anus is certainly fine proof of God's existence."

Well I admit it is somewhat funny, no doubt there, were talking about the anus. But still, its " Design", I think is proof of God. It is a brilliant peice of work, well thought out. Very well done in my view.

Thats one reason I like God, hes simply brilliant! Stunningly brilliant, and I refuse to give that evidence over to evolution and useless theory.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

I find it interesting/amusing that the discussion has focused on sound. That is not the only way of creating language as the existence of Sign Languages proves. American Sign Language has been recognized as a language by the Modern Language Association. Guatemalan Sign Language is an emerging sign language, spontaneously being created by Deaf children. Thank God, it is being allowed to emerge without attempts to stop it, or influence it. Berber Sign Language is a "pure" language, with no outside influences.

Well sign language is a type of communication but it is not pure vernacular. Vernacular requires verbs and nouns, you know, the spoken word, which has a skill involved. And the way God did it is spatacular, we all just " Naturally speak", which I think is nothing short of a miracle and definte proof of God.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Although, in my view, God rarely communicates with humans, he is a being that believes in communication. And he will eventually communicate with humanity, all of us, but that patience of his is legendary, were just going to have to wait on him to do so.

It will be interesting to hear what type of language God uses, IF that could even be limited, because he has no limits.

Peace.

 

[Hijabihippie]

I respectfully disagree. ASL does have nouns and verbs, & it does have a vernacular.
Speech has nothing to do with it. ASL requires a lot of skill. We do not all "naturally speak". I suggest reading "Signs of Resistance: American Deaf Cultural History, 1900 To 1942" by Susan Burch.

 

[mickiel]

I respectfully disagree. ASL does have nouns and verbs, & it does have a vernacular.
Speech has nothing to do with it. ASL requires a lot of skill. We do not all "naturally speak". I suggest reading "Signs of Resistance: American Deaf Cultural History, 1900 To 1942" by Susan Burch.

Well I agree to disagree with you.

Peace.

 

[Hijabihippie]

Do you know any Deaf people?

 

[mickiel]

Do you know any Deaf people?

Not personally, no.

Peace.

 

[Hijabihippie]

Then, upon what do you base your disagreement?

 

[Skepsis2]

The rib structure of humans have never changed.

Peace.

OK I’ll give you that. Then, let’s use the term hominids or primates – modern human ancestors.

 

[mickiel]

Then, upon what do you base your disagreement?

I am talking about " Spoken verbal language", not sign language. Sign language is a language, and I hold no intrest in arguementation about that, I am not against it or anything, its just not part of my theisis here now. I am not going into sign language, and willnot debate it.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

OK I’ll give you that. Then, let’s use the term hominids or primates – modern human ancestors.

I don't care what lifeform you refer to, none of their bonestructure has ever changed.

Peace.

 

[PolyHedral]

But there is no functional difference between ASL and English. (other than vocab. sizes) They are both different methods to achieving the same thing.

 

[Skepsis2]

Well I certainly disagree with this , our digestive system is a miracle intelligent design, and could ONLY be a design, its too perfect. And obvious proof of God. The digestive system is a tract, a unique series of hollow organs joined in a long twisting tube from the mouth to the anus and other organs that help the body break down and absorb food. The mouth, esophagus, stomach, small intestines and large( which is also refered to as the colon), rectum and anus. Its stunning evidence of Gods ability to design.

Peace.

Who would design a digestive system using the same orifice for ingesting food and breathing assuring that some of these humans will die as a result of choking? And why design an entertainment complex between your legs in the middle of a sewer system.

 

[mickiel]

Who would design a digestive system using the same orifice for ingesting food and breathing assuring that some of these humans will die as a result of choking? And why design an entertainment complex between your legs in the middle of a sewer system.

You have just gone beyond me, I really don't understand you complettely.

Peace.

 

[Skepsis2]

I don't care what lifeform you refer to, none of their bonestructure has ever changed.

Peace.

Check out the forensic anthropology articles from the University of New England, Armidale, New South Wales, Australia. (I’m not allow to post direct links yet.)
Have someone read it to you while you look at the pictures.

 

[Skepsis2]

You have just gone beyond me, I really don't understand you complettely.

Peace.

What don’t you understand? The questionable design or the facts?

 

[mickiel]

What don’t you understand? The questionable design or the facts?

Well just exactly what points are you trying to make?

Peace.

 

[Hijabihippie]

From the inside jacket of "Signs Of Resistance"

During the early nineteenth century, American schools for deaf education regarded sign language as the "natural language" of deaf people, using it as the principal mode of instruction and communication. These schools inadvertently became the seedbeds of an emerging Deaf community and culture. But by mid century, an oralist movement developed that sought to suppress sign language, removing Deaf teachers and requiring deaf people to learn speech and lip reading. Historians have all assumed that in the early decades of the twentieth century oralism triumphed overwhelmingly.

Susan Burch shows us that everyone has it wrong: Deaf students, teachers, and staff consistently and creatively subverted oralist policies & goals within the schools. Ultimately, the efforts to assimilate Deaf people resulted in fortifying their ties to a separate Deaf cultural community. In "Signs Of Resistance" Susan Burch persuasively reinterprets early twentieth century Deaf history. Using community sources such as Deaf newspapers, memoirs, films, and Sign Language interviews, Burch shows how the Deaf community mobilized to defend sign language, increased its political activism, & claried its cultural values. In the process, a collective Deaf consciousness, identity, & political organization were formed.

Burch, Susan.Signs Of Resistance: American Deaf Cultural History, 1900 To 1942. New York University Press. New York, London. 2002.

The author is an Associate Proffesor of History at Gallaudet University.


Thisw is what I base my position upon.