"lazy poor"/"lazy welfare"

[Trey of Diamonds]

I don't fear superior, I feel that I have already paid my dues and am enjoying the fruits of my previous labors.

I'm not sure what you call paying your dues and what people born in the hood call paying their dues is the same thing.

 

[Reverend Rick]

I'm not sure what you call paying your dues and what people born in the hood call paying their dues is the same thing.

I'm sure your right Trey.

 

[Alceste]

Purely accidental.

Great questions. :yes:

Your behavior is fine so long as you make things work for you. The poverty line is just a number. When you grow your own food and use other techniques to stretch a dollar such as coupons, you can live like a queen on very little money.

No all laziness is not created equal. Some of us can afford to be lazy while other cannot.

I don't fear superior, I feel that I have already paid my dues and am enjoying the fruits of my previous labors.

I feel like doing what I love and what my nature compels me to do is more important and satisfying than having money. Quite a lot of there creative characters I know in my life feel the same way. We (artists) tend to be a pretty cash-strapped tribe. For the most part we find ways to make it work, but living in poverty with no slush fund for unforseen circumstances means some of us occasionally need a little help from the government (most of which goes straight into the pocket of a landlord, for the record).

I have paid my dues too. Otherwise it would not be possible for me to make ANY kind of money from music, let alone something resembling a living.

I'm just trying to give you some idea of who you're talking about when you say things like "there should be no dignity in being poor". I certainly don't feel ashamed of my life's work just because it will never make me rich. I don't need any "tough love" from conservatives to put my life back on track. I know what happens to me in a regular job: in about six months I get severely depressed, sometimes suicidally, because I only have one life to live and I feel like I am wasting it.

Different strokes for different folks, is all I'm saying. If a person is choosing poverty in order to live a richer life, why shouldn't they live in dignity?

 

[jasonwill2]

I wish I could find a ******* job that doesn't make me want to tear my hair out. the last one had too many openly Christian people. It made me go crazy, I could never understand half of what my manager said (her accent was very very heavy), they had me do things out of my job description, and they gave me too many hours.

Then I got sleep deprived for too many days, got a vision to quit my job and move around the country, so when they asked me to work for the one day i thought I might be able to sleep all day, I was demoralized.

Literally, an hour before closing the night before I was told "oh you gotta work tommorow" as I saw her sneakily write in the schedule we all get to see.

I worked that next day, and I only had 4 hours of sleep that night at most, having none the two previous nights at all. I got so screwed up because of that vision and a bunch of other thougths and anxiety. Then she told me I did a **** job that day, and trying to explain since the next day was a weekday I really needed it off to figure out if I was moving, and she wouldn't give it me.

I couldn't tell her I got a vision to move... she wouldn't take that. So I quit that ****** job and she tried to force me to finish closing up that night with "you wont get your tip!"

****, i was a busboy, I didn't need that dirt-cheap **** tip. I was sick of it, and sick of them throwing 50 hours a week on me when I applied for part-time. The only full time busboy was leaving in a week or two to move back to his home, and the head busboy was in school so he couldn't be full time. They knew I wasn't in school, and I knew that even though i was only working there for 3 weeks I was the ONLY choice they would have for a full time busboy.

The hours would kill me, 12 hour work days on weekdays, more-so for the hecktic weekends, it would come out to 60 hours a week, I knew they would ask me.

Add the anxiety then of being the busboy in charge basically when my head guy wasnt around... and I would have to teach the new busboys they kept trying to hire... I was only working there for 3 weeks. Perhaps I jumped to conclusions, but i didn't give a ****. I had a vision, I was sleep deprived, I needed that day off. I don't know , I was anxious, confused, frustrated.

And then I just decided with all these factors, to just ******* quit. And I still kind of regret that.


See guys? This is why I have no job. You can call me lazy, but those are my reasons, and now I'm scrambling to find a job before winter, before people around town don't need their lawns mown or other outside work. I love working outside, but no. I can't find that. The last place I looked at wanted a year experience JUST TO RUN A CASH REGISTER. If I find a job that i can both do and somewhat enjoy, I'd take that in a heartbeat, but don't think for a second that I'm lazy; I love to bale hay, and work with my hands, REAL work, manual labor, but I can't find that. All I can find is working with food for fat *** Americans who eat burgers when they are not sitting in their stupid office all day not doing real physical work.

You want to know what the problem is? It's the depression we are in, mental illness (like with me), and stupid rich people pushing this perception. As many signs say "the unemployed need not apply", as if we are somehow lazy in this place where they are looking for over-qualified people already in another job... it's insane.

 

[Alceste]

I wish I could find a ******* job that doesn't make me want to tear my hair out. the last one had too many openly Christian people. It made me go crazy, I could never understand half of what my manager said (her accent was very very heavy), they had me do things out of my job description, and they gave me too many hours.

Then I got sleep deprived for too many days, got a vision to quit my job and move around the country, so when they asked me to work for the one day i thought I might be able to sleep all day, I was demoralized.

Literally, an hour before closing the night before I was told "oh you gotta work tommorow" as I saw her sneakily write in the schedule we all get to see.

I worked that next day, and I only had 4 hours of sleep that night at most, having none the two previous nights at all. I got so screwed up because of that vision and a bunch of other thougths and anxiety. Then she told me I did a **** job that day, and trying to explain since the next day was a weekday I really needed it off to figure out if I was moving, and she wouldn't give it me.

I couldn't tell her I got a vision to move... she wouldn't take that. So I quit that ****** job and she tried to force me to finish closing up that night with "you wont get your tip!"

****, i was a busboy, I didn't need that dirt-cheap **** tip. I was sick of it, and sick of them throwing 50 hours a week on me when I applied for part-time. The only full time busboy was leaving in a week or two to move back to his home, and the head busboy was in school so he couldn't be full time. They knew I wasn't in school, and I knew that even though i was only working there for 3 weeks I was the ONLY choice they would have for a full time busboy.

The hours would kill me, 12 hour work days on weekdays, more-so for the hecktic weekends, it would come out to 60 hours a week, I knew they would ask me.

Add the anxiety then of being the busboy in charge basically when my head guy wasnt around... and I would have to teach the new busboys they kept trying to hire... I was only working there for 3 weeks. Perhaps I jumped to conclusions, but i didn't give a ****. I had a vision, I was sleep deprived, I needed that day off. I don't know , I was anxious, confused, frustrated.

And then I just decided with all these factors, to just ******* quit. And I still kind of regret that.


See guys? This is why I have no job. You can call me lazy, but those are my reasons, and now I'm scrambling to find a job before winter, before people around town don't need their lawns mown or other outside work. I love working outside, but no. I can't find that. The last place I looked at wanted a year experience JUST TO RUN A CASH REGISTER. If I find a job that i can both do and somewhat enjoy, I'd take that in a heartbeat, but don't think for a second that I'm lazy; I love to bale hay, and work with my hands, REAL work, manual labor, but I can't find that. All I can find is working with food for fat *** Americans who eat burgers when they are not sitting in their stupid office all day not doing real physical work.

You want to know what the problem is? It's the depression we are in, mental illness (like with me), and stupid rich people pushing this perception. As many signs say "the unemployed need not apply", as if we are somehow lazy in this place where they are looking for over-qualified people already in another job... it's insane.

Why not take a working holiday and do a bit of farming?
http://www.wwoof.ca/

(Between you and me, Canadian fruit farms will often let illegals work for cash.)

 

[jasonwill2]

Why not take a working holiday and do a bit of farming?
http://www.wwoof.ca/

(Between you and me, Canadian fruit farms will often let illegals work for cash.)

This is talking about volunteers though from what I see on their main page... I need an income. At that I'm not going to Canada, all I know and everyone I know is within 100 miles of my house. (if being on vacations doesnt count)

 

[Heathen Hammer]

Well we should be ashamed of ourselves, we all know that the majority of wellfare recipients are fine upstanding pillars of society that display honesty, integrity and a work ethic unmatched by all others.

At least they're not as lazy as clergymen

 

[jasonwill2]

At least they're not as lazy as clergymen

frubals, i tried to explain how churches were easy monies for pastors, ive seen a few finanical records before, they can save a good amount per year after expenses... the pastor was making like 30K-60K a year if i recall.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

All tax-free too

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

frubals, i tried to explain how churches were easy monies for pastors, ive seen a few finanical records before, they can save a good amount per year after expenses... the pastor was making like 30K-60K a year if i recall.

It's unfair to lump all pastors into the same category, not all are money grubbing slimeballs. Also, remember, a good pastor who is actually doing his job is on the clock 24/7. They are constantly working for the good of their congregation. Its hard to put a price tag on that kind of personal service. I don't mind paying a pastor who's doing his job. Its the TV Evangelists who rake in the money but don't actually do the job of a pastor that annoy me.

 

[jasonwill2]

It's unfair to lump all pastors into the same category, not all are money grubbing slimeballs. Also, remember, a good pastor who is actually doing his job is on the clock 24/7. They are constantly working for the good of their congregation. Its hard to put a price tag on that kind of personal service. I don't mind paying a pastor who's doing his job. Its the TV Evangelists who rake in the money but don't actually do the job of a pastor that annoy me.

I know they are sometimes in the church or on call to help people wiht spiritual issues a lot, but is it really that hard? Esp for 30-60K a year grossing?

 

[Heathen Hammer]

It's unfair to lump all pastors into the same category, not all are money grubbing slimeballs. Also, remember, a good pastor who is actually doing his job is on the clock 24/7. They are constantly working for the good of their congregation. Its hard to put a price tag on that kind of personal service. I don't mind paying a pastor who's doing his job. Its the TV Evangelists who rake in the money but don't actually do the job of a pastor that annoy me.

The joke at the time was, that the person eye-rolling and denigrating the work ethic of the poor, is a pastor.

 

[Apex]

I know they are sometimes in the church or on call to help people wiht spiritual issues a lot, but is it really that hard? Esp for 30-60K a year grossing?

30K is not much at all. And if they have a family, which a lot of pastors do, 60K is not much better.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

I know they are sometimes in the church or on call to help people wiht spiritual issues a lot, but is it really that hard? Esp for 30-60K a year grossing?

Yes, it is that hard. Especially if they are truly empathetic. Imagine the emotional wringer you have to go through being the rock for so many people. I've known pastors that were fake and pastors who were the real thing. While I have little respect for those who play the system, the true believers are severely under paid.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Yes, it is that hard. Especially if they are truly empathetic. Imagine the emotional wringer you have to go through being the rock for so many people. I've known pastors that were fake and pastors who were the real thing. While I have little respect for those who play the system, the true believers are severely under paid.

Most of what pastors do are not advertised. They're the ones who are taking the calls in the middle of the night to counsel because family members have died, are missing, have discovered they're sick or incapacitated from catastrophe, not having weekends or weeknights off because of weddings, funerals, wakes, christenings, baptisms, etc.....

Not to mention preparing for classes, lectures, and for the weekly congregations.

Quite a few of the pastors I've known who truly give their time, their money, and the shirts off their backs to help the needy just don't have the time or the desire to advertise what they're doing because they're out helping people. Seriously. They're ALWAYS helping people.

 

[jasonwill2]

Yes, it is that hard. Especially if they are truly empathetic. Imagine the emotional wringer you have to go through being the rock for so many people. I've known pastors that were fake and pastors who were the real thing. While I have little respect for those who play the system, the true believers are severely under paid.

But their are those of who wouldn't think twice about burning me at the stake (a number of them), so why should I care? They chose that job, so they only have themselves to blame.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

But their are those of who wouldn't think twice about burning me at the stake (a number of them), so why should I care? They chose that job, so they only have themselves to blame.

I care, and I'm a bisexual polyamorous domme Buddhist dancer.

 

[jasonwill2]

I care, and I'm a bisexual polyamorous domme Buddhist dancer.

Yes, but more are jumping at the plate to behead me than you. I've accidentally run across pictures of a Satanist being beheaded before >.>

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

But their are those of who wouldn't think twice about burning me at the stake (a number of them), so why should I care? They chose that job, so they only have themselves to blame.

Who asked you to care. You were dismissing their work, claiming it wasn't hard. I was correcting that mistake. They work very hard and get paid little for doing it. Acknowledging that would not mean you care about their life choices or agree with their beliefs, it would just be a show of respect for the effort they put into their work.

 

[jasonwill2]

Who asked you to care. You were dismissing their work, claiming it wasn't hard. I was correcting that mistake. They work very hard and get paid little for doing it. Acknowledging that would not mean you care about their life choices or agree with their beliefs, it would just be a show of respect for the effort they put into their work.

The deserve no respect when they spout lies about my religion and my God, more than once telling me to my face that we are child killers and that we just hide it so we are not locked up.

As far as I am concerned they are a waste of human breath:

Point two of the Church of Satan's Pentagonal Revisionism:

"[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]2. Strict taxation of all churches—If churches were taxed for all their income and property, they’d crumble overnight of their own obsolescence, and the National Debt would be wiped out as quickly. The productive, the creative, the resourceful should be subsidized. So long as the useless and incompetent are getting paid, they should be heavily taxed."

Churches are tax exempt businesses.
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