"lazy poor"/"lazy welfare"

[McBell]

Then if you have ever sped your a criminal by that standard.

yeah, cause everyone knows that speeding is the same thing as identity theft...
Not to mention the fraud being perpetrated based on using someone elses identity...

 

[jasonwill2]

yeah, cause everyone knows that speeding is the same thing as identity theft...
Not to mention the fraud being perpetrated based on using someone elses identity...

Do you seriously believe that every illegal steals identities?

There is this guy of mexican descent, who was taken to the US by his mom when he was a baby, and then he grew up as a country boy for 30 years. Went to school in the US, payed taxes, voted. But guess what? Apparently his mom never filed the papers to become citizens, and he is now facing deportation. And this guy is an upstanding member of his community, never gotten in trouble, always obeyed the law, payed taxes.

Ya, not so clear cut, is it? Well, unless we should agree he should stay and the courts allow him his citizen ship.

Not all aliens, only a few, ever commit crimes. Same as how not all citizens commit crimes but only a few.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

When they were married and working their own farms at age 15.

I'm giving a shout out to our kids....they volunteer at their schools for nothing, they applied to their first job at the local burger joint the minute they turned 16. They're willing to walk to work until they saved up the money to buy their first cars. And that's exactly what the oldest two have done, buying their cars all up front with no payments and only liability insurance to worry about with maintainence and gas.

Our 15 year old offers to help around the house, and follows a strict daily chore list and a weekly chore list. He is responsible for the lawn care now at our house and keeps it.....well....relatively nice. .....but he is learning fast about lawn care.

Our 13 year old daughter, in spite of hours and hours of karate lessons, training for her black belt, comes home and washes the remaining dishes, puts them away, and sweeps and mops the entire upstairs.

My husband and I both began earning money very early on through babysitting and through mowing people's lawns. We have told our kids about how we were able to spend our money how we wanted, but we wound up saving it or investing it in future purchases instead. They caught on to the benefits quickly and have followed suit. Our oldest two sons have a couple thousand dollars saved up in the bank each.

So, it is entirely possible that teens nowadays are not only willing to work, but see the value in it and actively seek it out.

 

[McBell]

Do you seriously believe that every illegal steals identities?

:biglaugh:
Strawmen are wonderful playthings.

There is this guy of mexican descent, who was taken to the US by his mom when he was a baby, and then he grew up as a country boy for 30 years. Went to school in the US, payed taxes, voted. But guess what? Apparently his mom never filed the papers to become citizens, and he is now facing deportation. And this guy is an upstanding member of his community, never gotten in trouble, always obeyed the law, payed taxes.

Ya, not so clear cut, is it? Well, unless we should agree he should stay and the courts allow him his citizen ship.

Not all aliens, only a few, ever commit crimes. Same as how not all citizens commit crimes but only a few.

Except that now you are completely canging the story.
Since my comment was about the illegals who use dead peoples SSN....
But hey, have fun with your strawmen.

Now that I know you are not interested in anything resembling honest discussion...

 

[Alceste]

I'm giving a shout out to our kids....they volunteer at their schools for nothing, they applied to their first job at the local burger joint the minute they turned 16. They're willing to walk to work until they saved up the money to buy their first cars. And that's exactly what the oldest two have done, buying their cars all up front with no payments and only liability insurance to worry about with maintainence and gas.

Our 15 year old offers to help around the house, and follows a strict daily chore list and a weekly chore list. He is responsible for the lawn care now at our house and keeps it.....well....relatively nice. .....but he is learning fast about lawn care.

Our 13 year old daughter, in spite of hours and hours of karate lessons, training for her black belt, comes home and washes the remaining dishes, puts them away, and sweeps and mops the entire upstairs.

My husband and I both began earning money very early on through babysitting and through mowing people's lawns. We have told our kids about how we were able to spend our money how we wanted, but we wound up saving it or investing it in future purchases instead. They caught on to the benefits quickly and have followed suit. Our oldest two sons have a couple thousand dollars saved up in the bank each.

So, it is entirely possible that teens nowadays are not only willing to work, but see the value in it and actively seek it out.

Here's the dynamic I always dreamed of:

"Mom, can I have a Nintendo?" "Of course you can! How are you going to pay for it? Want me to help you write a resume? Come to think of it - I have a few odd jobs around the house I'll pay you for..."

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Here's the dynamic I always dreamed of:

"Mom, can I have a Nintendo?" "Of course you can! How are you going to pay for it? Want me to help you write a resume? Come to think of it - I have a few odd jobs around the house I'll pay you for..."

That's awesome.


My husband and I are even more strict. If the kids want a large purchase item, they must save up the gift money from their birthday or from Christmas, or they have to find odd jobs around the neighborhood.

The chores around the house are part of life. The kids have never gotten an allowance for doing their chores. It surpises some people, appalls others, and disgusts the rest.

But the kids don't complain, probably because they know we'll never buy them a large purchase item just because they want it or because we have the money.

They've gotten pretty inventive with their entreprenurship, though. Our youngest daugter finds people to commission her for her artwork and web comics. It's not hundreds of dollars, but it's enough for her to have some extra cash in her pocket. She's learning how to market herself and to set price points for her work. And she's 13.

 

[Alceste]

That's awesome.


My husband and I are even more strict. If the kids want a large purchase item, they must save up the gift money from their birthday or from Christmas, or they have to find odd jobs around the neighborhood.

The chores around the house are part of life. The kids have never gotten an allowance for doing their chores. It surpises some people, appalls others, and disgusts the rest.

But the kids don't complain, probably because they know we'll never buy them a large purchase item just because they want it or because we have the money.

They've gotten pretty inventive with their entreprenurship, though. Our youngest daugter finds people to commission her for her artwork and web comics. It's not hundreds of dollars, but it's enough for her to have some extra cash in her pocket. She's learning how to market herself and to set price points for her work. And she's 13.

I never got allowance for doing my chores either. Both my parents hired me for work that was beyond the scope of my regular responsibilities. I did office work for my dad, built a slate patio for my mom. When I was 11, I started baby sitting around the neighbourhood for extra money, and I've been paying my own way in life with very little help from anyone (apart from a bit of post-secondary education) since I was 17. I think my parents did a great job.

And I think you're doing a great job!

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I just realized my spelling is getting really off. That's lazy. Dang it.

Oh, and thanks Alceste. :hug:

 

[Alceste]

I just realized my spelling is getting really off. That's lazy. Dang it.

Oh, and thanks Alceste. :hug:

No problem!

:hug:

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

So, it is entirely possible that teens nowadays are not only willing to work, but see the value in it and actively seek it out.

Agreed. The laziness of youth today is entirely societal and cultural rather than a part of adolescence.

I find it no surprise that you're raising responsible hardworking children. After all, children tend to follow the examples set for them. :yes:

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Agreed. The laziness of youth today is entirely societal and cultural rather than a part of adolescence.

I find it no surprise that you're raising responsible hardworking children. After all, children tend to follow the examples set for them. :yes:

Thank you.

I think you raise an interesting point. Where does the youth learn about the value of work? I doubt they learn it all from their peers in some sort of cultural vacuum.

 

[Trey of Diamonds]

Thank you.

I think you raise an interesting point. Where does the youth learn about the value of work? I doubt they learn it all from their peers in some sort of cultural vacuum.

And with the middle class having to be a dual income household just to survive there is less time for parents to actually be parents. Sure, some are to lazy to be good parents but I would say most just don't have time due to how our society is currently structured.