Leaving the EU has been a disaster for the UK

[Flankerl]

You have not explained what you think is the significance of the table you posted.

What point are you making, by posting this table for us to read?

Unless you blocked the Fascist it should be obvious that it's a direct answer to the post preceding it.

 

[exchemist]

Unless you blocked the Fascist it should be obvious that it's a direct answer to the post preceding it.

Post 215 is not shown as being a reply to another post. And yes I do have the fascist on Ignore so can't follow the exchange unless you use the reply function. But, OK now I've looked and I see what this is about. Since you won't do it, I'll spell it out for any others who may be similarly baffled.

Your opinion poll table shows no evidence of a dramatically "unstoppable" rightward drift in voting intention in the EU, as @Estro Felino claims.

But tell me, what are the numbers? Obviously they are not percentages.

 

[Debater Slayer]

We saw what far-right nationalist currents did to Europe and the rest of the world when they held significant power in the '30s and '40s. We also saw what far-left communist currents did to millions of people when they took power starting in 1918.

I find it beyond unfortunate and disturbing that there are people who wish for the return of such regimes decades after they committed their worst atrocities. Do people really want another Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, or Pol Pot?

 

[Nakosis]

So, after over 6-years since the referendum, most of Project Fear is proving to be Project Reality.
Recent polls are showing 60% in favour of rejoining.

The Tories are still in denial and Labour are scared to talk about it. The right-wing media is going quiet about it - blaming everything on COVID and Putin (To be fair, he did help promote and fund the Leave campaign)

As we say in the stock market, hindsight is 20/20.

 

[viole]

What a joke, whines about an overarching EU that threatens the independence of its member countries and at the same time says the overarching EU is incapable of stopping its member countries from doing what they want contrary to EU policy.

Classic text book Fascism in case anyone is wondering.

Classic text book of self contradicting, and therefore, irrational thinking, too.

Ciao

- viole

 

[Estro Felino]

Classic text book of self contradicting, and therefore, irrational thinking, too.

Ciao

- viole

By the by, I have heard that in Sweden the ghost of Swexit is returning.
I mean... this could happen in any moment. Now that UK is out, the Scandinavian monarchies will be more and more encouraged to follow that example.

 

[viole]

By the by, I have heard that in Sweden the ghost of Swexit is returning.
I mean... this could happen in any moment. Now that UK is out, the Scandinavian monarchies will be more and more encouraged to follow that example.

And? That would not invalidate my claim that holding contradicting views, and use them for making a case, is irrational.

and if that happens, I would not care less. Also because I live already in a European country which is not in the EU, without suffering any inconvenience, whatsoever. Sovereign countries are perfectly free to decide their destiny.

including who they want to militarily ally with. Wouldn’t you agree?

ciao

- viole

 

[Estro Felino]

And? That would not invalidate my claim that holding contradicting views, and use them for making a case, is irrational.

and if that happens, I would not care less. Also because I live already in a European country which is not in the EU, without suffering any inconvenience, whatsoever. Sovereign countries are perfectly free to decide their destiny.

including who they want to militarily ally with. Wouldn’t you agree?

ciao

- viole

Yes. I am so happy for Sweden, if they exit the EU, though.
You should be very proud of them.

 

[viole]

Yes. I am so happy for Sweden, if they exit the EU, though.
You should be very proud for them.

I am emotionless. Norway is not in the EU, and it’s doing fine. but Norway can afford that, given its natural resources. And Switzerland is full of money, too. So, it is not that difficult for them.

but what should I be proud? I have nothing against the EU. Especially because it leaves people free to join, to leave, if they want. I am not aware that Berlin bombed London to the ground because they wanted to leave the EU, as some you admire did when he did not like what other sovereign nations freely decided.

But of course, if you join, if you have to agree on the rules.

ciao

- viole

 

[Estro Felino]

But of course, if you join, if you have to agree on the rules.

If there weren't certain demoniac people in the buildings of power, the EU would be a very nice thing.

 

[Altfish]

As we say in the stock market, hindsight is 20/20.

No, it was why I voted Remain; no hindsight at all.

 

[exchemist]

As we say in the stock market, hindsight is 20/20.

Almost half the country saw this clearly enough six years ago.

 

[Nakosis]

Almost half the country saw this clearly enough six years ago.

If anyone could clearly see it I suspect it'd been easy to convince the other half.

 

[Nakosis]

No, it was why I voted Remain; no hindsight at all.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Sorry I really have no faith in anyone's ability to predict the future.

Even now there are people claiming is was for the best, for their reasons. So it is more of an opinion than fact.

 

[ChristineM]

If anyone could clearly see it I suspect it'd been easy to convince the other half.

Doesn't work that way when government are bare faced lying. I've lost friends because they would not accept the obvious and instead whent with brexit. And then turned nasty after the vote.

 

[exchemist]

If anyone could clearly see it I suspect it'd been easy to convince the other half.

Just as half the US electorate easily convinced the other half not to vote for Trump in 2016, you mean?

 

[Altfish]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Sorry I really have no faith in anyone's ability to predict the future.

Even now there are people claiming is was for the best, for their reasons. So it is more of an opinion than fact.

Look back at my posts pre-June 2016, what has happened is exactly what the Remainers (and therefore I) predicted. Poor man of Europe once more.

 

[Altfish]

Doesn't work that way when government are bare faced lying. I've lost friends because they would not accept the obvious and instead whent with brexit. And then turned nasty after the vote.

ditto

 

[exchemist]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Sorry I really have no faith in anyone's ability to predict the future.

Even now there are people claiming is was for the best, for their reasons. So it is more of an opinion than fact.

This is utter BS. A very large number of people, myself included, foretold that it would prove to be a serious error to leave. Basically most people with a university education and/or any experience of the world outside the UK, saw the problems it could create and realised that a lot of what the Leave campaign was saying was simply lies.

When policy direction was subsequently hijacked by the Tory far Right, we saw that would make it even worse. The one thing I think few of us realised - though John Major did - was that leaving the EU would turn N Ireland into a monster SNAFU.

 

[Nakosis]

This is utter BS. A very large number of people, myself included, foretold that it would prove to be a serious error to leave. Basically most people with a university education and/or any experience of the world outside the UK, saw the problems it could create and realised that a lot of what the Leave campaign was saying was simply lies.

When policy direction was subsequently hijacked by the Tory far Right, we saw that would make it even worse. The one thing I think few of us realised - though John Major did - was that leaving the EU would turn N Ireland into a monster SNAFU.

Good for you. Maybe you can make a killing in stocks.