Leaving the EU has been a disaster for the UK

[Mock Turtle]

From what I have seen in discussions and the below, more people actually think it was a bad decision to leave the EU:

Brexit poll 2024 | Statista

The share of people who regret Brexit has increased since the UK left the EU. Recent polls show a growing majority think it was the wrong decision.

www.statista.com

One in five who voted for Brexit now think it was the wrong decision | YouGov

The wider public now think Britain was wrong to leave the European Union by 56% to 32%

yougov.co.uk

 

[lewisnotmiller]

No...it has this policy: EU citizens have free access. As for non-EU citizens there are two categories. The passports that require VISA and those which don't require any VISA . Within this latter, there is a category of countries (including UK, USA, Can, Aus, NZ) whose passport is practically equivalent to a EU passport.

That's not an Italian policy, though, it's an EU one. Australians don't require a visa for a visit on less than 90 days within a 180-day period.
There are 27 countries within the Schengen area where this is the case.
If you want to study for longer than that, you do need a visa.

https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/before-you-go/the-basics/schengen

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The article 101 of Maastricht Treaty clearly states that a national Central Bank cannot buy all the Government bonds that the marketplace hasn't purchased, but the German State has found a cunning expedient to buy unsold bonds anyway through another State agency, the Finanzagentur.

This is one of the violations.
So since Germany is entitled to do whatever she likes, so can we.
And we are not scared of the blackmailing and threatening.
Hungary is threatened 24/7 by the Brussels dictatorship, but she won't bow.

So if Hungary is courageous, so are we.

A vague accusation without any evidence, of one specific thing, hardly qualifies as Germany doing "whatever she likes".

 

[Heyo]

So if Hungary is courageous, so are we.

The word you were looking for is "obnoxious".

 

[Estro Felino]

The word you were looking for is "obnoxious".

Hungarians are admirable.
And praiseworthy.

And by the way, this EU is changing. The first revolution has taken place as soon as the president of the EU Commission is not some banker or finance wizard from Benelux...any more.
But it will change completely. Just imagine what happens if Le Pen becomes the French President.

 

[Flankerl]

Then France will literally burn down for good.

Or are the Fascist Allies from Italy and Muscovy come to help put down the Revolution?

 

[Estro Felino]

Then France will literally burn down for good.

Or are the Fascist Allies from Italy and Muscovy come to help put down the Revolution?

As far as I know, the French citizens protesting on the streets are rising against the banking and financial élites who would like to consider human workforce just as a tool, while they gain more and more billions.

 

[Flankerl]

Yeah I am sure they are going to vote for your Fascists or accept a Fascist Government.

 

[Estro Felino]

A vague accusation without any evidence, of one specific thing, hardly qualifies as Germany doing "whatever she likes".

Prove me wrong, then.
Germany is not in the condition of preaching anything.
And neither are Benelux countries.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Prove me wrong, then.

No, that's not how it works.
Your claim, your burden.

 

[Estro Felino]

No, that's not how it works.
Your claim, your burden.

Banking law is my favorite thing.
I do know what Germany does, when it issues euros. It issues bonds, the Bunds that a German public law entity will re-acquire, de facto bypassing the art 101 of Maastricht.

If you want to prove me wrong, explain me what the German State does instead.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Banking law is my favorite thing.
I do know what Germany does, when it issues euros. It issues bonds, the Bunds that a German public law entity will re-acquire, de facto bypassing the art 101 of Maastricht.

If you want to prove me wrong, explain me what the German State does instead.

Again: your claim, your burden

All you did was repeat your claim.
Also, how this is supposed to justify the statement that "germany does whatever she wants" isn't clear either.

Call me when you have something more then hot air.

 

[Estro Felino]

Again: your claim, your burden

All you did was repeat your claim.
Also, how this is supposed to justify the statement that "germany does whatever she wants" isn't clear either.

Call me when you have something more then hot air.

Italy will do whatever she wants.

I have news for you: since our sacred Constitution won't tolerate double standards, Maastricht is wastepaper.

Actually wastepaper is more valuable than Maastricht.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Italy will do whatever she wants.

I guarantee you that Italy won't.

I have news for you: since our sacred Constitution won't tolerate double standards, Maastricht is wastepaper.
Actually wastepaper is more valuable than Maastricht.

If you say so.
Meanwhile, your hot air is still meaningless.

Italy will, like all EU members, even the one that left, will comply with EU law to the best of their ability and avoid "doing whatever they want" while ignoring EU laws.


I note you also completely ignored my point about how even Britain didn't just "do what they wanted" when leaving and instead went through the very looooooong, tedious and expensive process of article 50.

When we just take your silly opinions at face value, that the EU has no power over its member states, then why do that?
Why not just show your middle finger and leave while not caring about article 50 or anything else?
Why spend BILLIONS and over a year of going through the tedious process of article 50?

And again: here we are even talking about LEAVING member!!!

Even a nation that LEAVES the EU is still complying to EU law to arrange the leave.
And you want us to believe that a non-leaving member can treat EU law like toilet paper?

Do you believe your own nonsense?

 

[Estro Felino]

I guarantee you that Italy won't.



If you say so.
Meanwhile, your hot air is still meaningless.

Italy will, like all EU members, even the one that left, will comply with EU law to the best of their ability and avoid "doing whatever they want" while ignoring EU laws.


I note you also completely ignored my point about how even Britain didn't just "do what they wanted" when leaving and instead went through the very looooooong, tedious and expensive process of article 50.

When we just take your silly opinions at face value, that the EU has no power over its member states, then why do that?
Why not just show your middle finger and leave while not caring about article 50 or anything else?
Why spend BILLIONS and over a year of going through the tedious process of article 50?

And again: here we are even talking about LEAVING member!!!

Even a nation that LEAVES the EU is still complying to EU law to arrange the leave.
And you want us to believe that a non-leaving member can treat EU law like toilet paper?

Do you believe your own nonsense?

With all due respect, Italy is a sovereign nation and if the Italian State wants to engage in a strong commercial partnership with Britain, nobody has the authority to prevent her from doing it.
Because nobody is above two sovereign nations.
That's the basics of International Law.

Secondly, I would suggest the lounge-loving élites living in Brussels and Frankfurt to respect nations' sovereignty, because the pro-EU parties are losing in most European countries. They should face reality.

 

[Flankerl]

What a joke, whines about an overarching EU that threatens the independence of its member countries and at the same time says the overarching EU is incapable of stopping its member countries from doing what they want contrary to EU policy.

Classic text book Fascism in case anyone is wondering.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

With all due respect, Italy is a sovereign nation and if the Italian State wants to engage in a strong commercial partnership with Britain, nobody has the authority to prevent her from doing it.

False. The EU has that authority.

Because nobody is above two sovereign nations.
That's the basics of International Law.

Sovereign nations are also bound by treaties they have signed. That also is international law.

 

[Estro Felino]

False. The EU has that authority.



Sovereign nations are also bound by treaties they have signed. That also is international law.

Just a detail: they are binding unless they contradict the national constitutions.

 

[Heyo]

Just a detail: they are binding unless they contradict the national constitutions.

Has the Italian Constitutional Court ruled any EU treaties unconstitutional? Are there even any suits before them?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Just a detail: they are binding unless they contradict the national constitutions.

They don't.