One question: the treaty of Aachen between France and Germany. What was it about?
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Leaving the EU has been a disaster for the UK
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One question: the treaty of Aachen between France and Germany. What was it about?
Heyo
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The Aachen Treaty consists of a total of 28 articles. The six main chapters of the treaty are labeled:
- European affairs
- Peace, security and development
- Culture, education, research and mobility
- Regional and transnational cooperation
- Sustainable development, climate, environment and economic affairs
- Organization
Do you see the word "trade" anywhere?
Honestly I don't care.
I will not excuse doublestandardisms...or Doppelmoral
My country is free to conclude any treaty with anyone.
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Flankerl
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As we can see Fascists have no clue what a trade deal actually is.
The Treaty of Benghazi does not deal with trade between the countries.
It does not ease trade or remove obstacles.
As Satre has written, they can write anything they want because it is up to the democrats to use logic and reason.
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Altfish
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Even our Brexiteer PM agrees that trading freely with the EU is good for business.
Sunak: Northern Ireland is 'world's most exciting economic zone' by being in EU and UK - YouTube
We're being gaslighted once more
Sunak: Northern Ireland is 'world's most exciting economic zone' by being in EU and UK - YouTube
We're being gaslighted once more
Altfish
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Some Tory's are bright, listen to John Major about a week before the Brexit Referendum...
JOHN MAJOR'S FORESIGHT ON BREXIT - Bing video
JOHN MAJOR'S FORESIGHT ON BREXIT - Bing video
What did he say wrong?
He's absolutely right. NI is the symbol between the good terms between EU and UK, between £ and €
exchemist
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Major was always very clear and to the point in interviews. The only thing he got materially wrong is the suggestion that we would face a 10% tariff barrier if we left.
Interesting that he did not mention N Ireland. I think a lot of people on both sides rather forgot about that.
Altfish
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I think the assumption at the time was that we would remain in The Single Market as had been promised.
Not the Hard Brexit that the ERG wanted and Johnson delivered for them.
Switzerland is not in the EU.
Nevertheless it has a privileged status recognized by the EU and a privileged deal. A Hard Brexit was unthinkable.
There already are precedents.
Yet that is what the UK thought, strove for and got.
So many pushed against the a Swiss model it simply was not acceptable to the right who were pushing for a hard Brexit
For those who believe Britain is isolated
TagliatelliMonster
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lol!
You don't believe that yourself, do you?
It means it's bound by EU laws.
TagliatelliMonster
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Wauw. You really are oblivious concerning what it means for a country in Europe to be an EU member, are you?
British leavers didn't realize it either.
They do know, after reality hit them upside the head.
So if we violate them what the Brussels dictatorship will do?lol!
You don't believe that yourself, do you?
It means it's bound by EU laws.
Will they drive their tanks across the Alps to exterminate us?
Come on...
Germany openly violates them, and nobody says anything.
I have just returned from the UK and my experience tells me that it doesn't matter what some far right Italian says. It the Brits state of mind that counts. And a good percentage of of those Brits want isolation, they want the return if little Britain. They don't want anything to do with Europe, including italy.
And maybe some don't even care
TagliatelliMonster
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For starters, Italy won't violate them. For the same reason even Britain didn't violate them and instead went through the very long, tedious and expensive procedure of article 50.
If the EU had no "power" over its members as you like to claim, do you think for a second that Britain would have gone through all that trouble?
Why didn't they just say "screw you, we are gone and we do as we like"? Isn't that what you would be expect them to do if it is indeed true that the EU has no power over its members (and in the brexit case, it even concerned a LEAVING member!!!).
Having said that, Italy depends on the EU for a WHOLE BUNCH of things. Free travel, free trade, commissions of all kinds of things, money, etc.
The EU doesn't need to send tanks. It can simply start shutting down services one by one in proportion to the gravity of Italy breaking EU law.
For example: cut them off the free market. The result of which would be a whole bunch of empty shelves and even power outages.
You are a typical person who has NO IDEA how much a full member country like Italy actually depends on the EU for all kinds of things.
And it's in Italy's best interest btw... this dependence is not like Italy being a "slave" of the EU.
It's more like "strong together and weak alone".
You might want to read up how your comfortable luxurous life in Italy is made possible in large part as a direct result of EU membership.
No need to.
How so?
I used to go to Italy quite often, before they become joined the euro zone and after. People were proud to be joining and getting rid of the worthless lira. (Often i received my change from a purchase in sweets, they were worth more than cash.)
The increase in confidence that the euro brought was clearly visible taking the country from close to 3rd world status to a proud member of the EU.
I think the right are, like Britain, yearning for times past
The article 101 of Maastricht Treaty clearly states that a national Central Bank cannot buy all the Government bonds that the marketplace hasn't purchased, but the German State has found a cunning expedient to buy unsold bonds anyway through another State agency, the Finanzagentur.
This is one of the violations.
So since Germany is entitled to do whatever she likes, so can we.
And we are not scared of the blackmailing and threatening.
Hungary is threatened 24/7 by the Brussels dictatorship, but she won't bow.
So if Hungary is courageous, so are we.
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