Legal Gun Ownership Poll

[Nous]

I will. Let me know when you convince a gun right advocate in the US that they don't need guns.

I don't have a habit of trying to convince "gun rights advocates" of anything. I do present facts for the consumption of people who are at least questioning the issue of guns in the US.

 

[Nous]

And I wouldn't have it any other way!

I wouldn't either. The UK serves as a good example of the needlessness of guns and gun fetishes.

 

[Acim]

I don't have a habit of trying to convince "gun rights advocates" of anything. I do present facts for the consumption of people who are at least questioning the issue of guns in the US.

Me too, which is why I said what I did, about the only way I see how things will change.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

So, anyone having a gun won't prevent terrorist attacks. Therefore that earlier point is defeated.

If any person is in life threatening situation, I'm thinking anyone that is pro guns (for any person) will go with logic of better to have a gun and not need it then need a gun and not have it.

The thing is, though: guns don't just materialize out of thin air. To have one, you have to plan ahead and have it with you in all sorts of non-life-threatening situations.

Facts: There are more guns in private hands than in any other country
on earth.
Get over it.
No one who owns a firearm is going to give it up.
It matters not if a gun owner is a sportsman or N.R.A. member or target shooter or never uses the thing for any reason.
Americans want to own guns.

My preferred approach:

- change tort laws so that people convicted of gun offenses pay the full cost of gun culture. This would include putting a share of the liability for criminal use of a gun on the gun's last "lawful" owner unless they took significant, demonstrable steps to ensure that the gun didn't fall into criminal hands.

- require all gun owners to carry insurance.

- leave the rest to market forces.

Keep your gun if you want. Just make sure that your fair share of the cost to society that the gun imposes.

 

[McBell]

Americans don't have to be such idiots. Americans' fetish for guns is conditioned stupidity.

What is it exactly that makes you such an authority on "stupid"?

 

[Nous]

What is it exactly that makes you such an authority on "stupid"?

One does not need to be "an authority on stupid" in order to know that Americans do not have to be such idiots about guns.

 

[McBell]

One does not need to be "an authority on stupid" in order to know that Americans do not have to be such idiots about guns.

I agree.
However, YOU went further and declared it a state of "conditioned stupidity".
thus the inquiry on what makes you an authority on stupidity.

 

[Nous]

I agree.
However, YOU went further and declared it a state of "conditioned stupidity".
thus the inquiry on what makes you an authority on stupidity.

Define "authority on stupidity". What are the required qualifications?

I would think that a person of at least average intelligence would be able to discern stupidity that isn't innate but is conditioned. It seems that people in a variety of countries are able to discern the needlessness of the gun fetish that many Americans exhibit.

 

[esmith]

Could one not say that those that oppose the freedom that we here in the U.S. have concerning firearms are the idiots and/or stupid ones?

 

[Nous]

Could one not say that those that oppose the freedom that we here in the U.S. have concerning firearms are the idiots and/or stupid ones?

The evidence shows that it's safer in places that are not so saturated in guns--e.g., lots fewer children are accidentally killed by guns in the UK. Policing a population that isn't saturated in guns is undoubtedly less expensive. It's smarter to just relinquish the gun fetish. It's a dangerous, costly and needless fetish.

 

[esmith]

The evidence shows that it's safer in places that are not so saturated in guns--e.g., lots fewer children are accidentally killed by guns in the UK. Policing a population that isn't saturated in guns is undoubtedly less expensive. It's smarter to just relinquish the gun fetish. It's a dangerous, costly and needless fetish.

We do not have a "gun fetish" here in the States. What we have are people that enjoy owing firearms. The problem could be yours don't you think?

 

[Skwim]

We do not have a "gun fetish" here in the States. What we have are people that enjoy owing firearms. The problem could be yours don't you think?

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[esmith]

Yeah we get that you have an issue. Isn't worth time or bandwidth to respond other than this.

 

[idav]

I say arm every citizen with a legal firearm each citizen gets when they turn 18 and register to vote.

 

[Thief]

The evidence shows that it's safer in places that are not so saturated in guns--e.g., lots fewer children are accidentally killed by guns in the UK. Policing a population that isn't saturated in guns is undoubtedly less expensive. It's smarter to just relinquish the gun fetish. It's a dangerous, costly and needless fetish.

i have read.....
more people die from drowning
we should fill in all the swimming pools

more people die from bicycle accidents.....
we should crush all bicycles

64,000 people die each year in car accidents.....
we should walk everywhere we go

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

i have read.....
more people die from drowning
we should fill in all the swimming pools

No, just put them behind locked gates. Similarly, require trigger locks or secure storage for all guns.

more people die from bicycle accidents.....
we should crush all bicycles

No, they don't. About 900 people per year die from bike collisions in the US versus about 30,000 gun deaths.

64,000 people die each year in car accidents.....
we should walk everywhere we go

It would be a major step forward if your country treated guns like it does cars.

If guns were treated like cars, you would have:

- licenses for every firearm owner
- licenses for every firearm
- mandated safety measures that firearm manufacturers would be required to incorporate into their designs
- a government firearm registry
- periodic government inspections of firearms
- mandatory firearm insurance
- the police would literally hide in bushes watching firearm operators, looking for violations

 

[Thief]

No, just put them behind locked gates. Similarly, require trigger locks or secure storage for all guns.


No, they don't. About 900 people per year die from bike collisions in the US versus about 30,000 gun deaths.


It would be a major step forward if your country treated guns like it does cars.

If guns were treated like cars, you would have:

- licenses for every firearm owner
- licenses for every firearm
- mandated safety measures that firearm manufacturers would be required to incorporate into their designs
- a government firearm registry
- periodic government inspections of firearms
- mandatory firearm insurance
- the police would literally hide in bushes watching firearm operators, looking for violations

No, just put them behind locked gates. Similarly, require trigger locks or secure storage for all guns.


No, they don't. About 900 people per year die from bike collisions in the US versus about 30,000 gun deaths.


It would be a major step forward if your country treated guns like it does cars.

If guns were treated like cars, you would have:

- licenses for every firearm owner
- licenses for every firearm
- mandated safety measures that firearm manufacturers would be required to incorporate into their designs
- a government firearm registry
- periodic government inspections of firearms
- mandatory firearm insurance
- the police would literally hide in bushes watching firearm operators, looking for violations

nice rebuttal......

I seem to recall......driving is a privilege
to keep and bear arms is a right.

30,000 deaths by gunshot?......
seems rather high

and the use of a firearm tends to be quick by nature
it might as well be buried if you lock

in home invasion.....control is dealt in seven seconds

if you live in tough neighborhoods.........

 

[Thief]

took a quick look at a sources of 400+ pages.....

42,773 suicides two years ago.

didn't mention guns

but seems apparent.....you will harm yourself sooner than someone else will

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

nice rebuttal......

I seem to recall......driving is a privilege
to keep and bear arms is a right.

... by a constitution that provides the means for its own amendment.

30,000 deaths by gunshot?......
seems rather high

33,736 for 2014.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm

 

[Thief]

400,000 by smoke inhalation......