Legal Gun Ownership Poll

[Acim]

The massive number of privately owned guns in the US hasn't thwarted or stopped any terrorist attack, as far as I know.

That has nothing to do with the fact that privately owned guns in the US have neither thwarted or stopped any terrorist attack.

I support police officers having guns.

If someone's "point" was "defeated" here, quote it and show it.

No one owning guns, including police, has thwarted or stopped any terrorist attack, so the whole point is logical fallacy. Thus defeated, when you realize privately owned guns have arguably nothing to do with terrorist attacks (being prevented).

May as well say, 'the massive number of privately owned guns in the US hasn't thwarted or stopped any person from getting cancer, as far as I know.'

 

[esmith]

It certainly blows John Howards argument out of the water, but if you had read on a little further, you would see my data agrees that decreasing gun ownership had little effect on overall shooting deaths in Australia.

Cheers

the problem is that the anti-gun gun crowd here in the States use Australia as the shinning example of gun control.

 

[Nous]

That has nothing to do with the fact that privately owned guns in the US have neither thwarted or stopped any terrorist attack.

I support police officers having guns.

If someone's "point" was "defeated" here, quote it and show it.

No one owning guns, including police, has thwarted or stopped any terrorist attack, so the whole point is logical fallacy.

You're claiming that I stated a logical fallacy somewhere in the above? Quote it, and identify the fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

(How can a person who can't formulate a syllogism know when a logical fallacy has been stated?)

May as well say, 'the massive number of privately owned guns in the US hasn't thwarted or stopped any person from getting cancer, as far as I know.'

That's another good reason why you don't need a gun. There are endless good reasons to get rid of your guns.

 

[Nous]

Americans want to own guns.

Americans don't have to be such idiots. Americans' fetish for guns is conditioned stupidity.

 

[jeager106]

Americans don't have to be such idiots. Americans' fetish for guns is conditioned stupidity.

You aren't a bit bashful about insulting millions of Americans or our
Constitutional Amendments.

The U.S. is the only nation in the world with anything like a 2nd Amendment.

Think the U.S. of A. has the highest MURDER rate in the world?
Think again.
Read this and be less ignorant of facts please.
Thank you very much for your attention.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/10/worlds-highest-murder-rates_n_5125188.html

Mexico and Africa are leading the rest of the world.
I had an e-friend for years who lived in S. Africa.
Gun control is extremely strict yet the murder rate is very high.
My friend moved out of the city and into the country where the internet isn't available so
I have no idea what it's like where he is now.
Or if he survived Mendela's (sp?) war on whites.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

You can tell it's an American writing this! I have absolutely zero inclination to do so It's a fascinating cultural quirk, the American predilection for guns. Not that it's universal.

What country might you be from? Obviously hyperbole but not as much as one might think. I haven't actually met anyone so adament against guns that they wouldn't ever want to shoot one.

 

[Kirran]

What country might you be from? Obviously hyperbole but not as much as one might think. I haven't actually met anyone so adament against guns that they wouldn't ever want to shoot one.

It's not even about being adamantly against guns. The idea of shooting one just holds no appeal to me. In the same way as eating cucumbers doesn't appeal to me.

 

[fantome profane]

What country might you be from? Obviously hyperbole but not as much as one might think. I haven't actually met anyone so adament against guns that they wouldn't ever want to shoot one.

I have never in my life even touched a gun and I hope to live the rest of my life never having to touch one. I have absolutely no desire to actually fire one. The very idea makes me queasy.

Kirran is right, the love of guns is not universal.

 

[Monk Of Reason]

It's not even about being adamantly against guns. The idea of shooting one just holds no appeal to me. In the same way as eating cucumbers doesn't appeal to me.

I have never in my life even touched a gun and I hope to live the rest of my life never having to touch one. I have absolutely no desire to actually fire one. The very idea makes me queasy.

Kirran is right, the love of guns is not universal.

To each their own. But there are components of firearms and of shooting firearms that invovle universally enjoyable mechanism. Aim and shoot video games are popular for the same reason. Archery was at least at one time popular for the same reason. Basketball, football and any other sport that requires you to move a projectile of some kind into a goal of another. To many that shoot a gun its the same. It also doubles as a tool for practical application within scenarios.

 

[Acim]

There are endless good reasons to get rid of your guns.

I don't have guns. But the reasoning is also true for the government (i.e. police). As I've noted many times on RF, I favor gun control, but currently see the only way that works in America is if the government takes the lead, and doesn't expect the citizens to reciprocate. Essentially leads by example and shows you can live / thrive in this world without guns. Until that happens, then by the way the government justifies need for guns, I see a free nation, like America following the lead of it's government and understanding guns offer personal protection in a way that the government seemingly cannot provide. If anyone thinks the government will never do this, then just realize that the citizens will also never (voluntarily) do this.

 

[fantome profane]

It also doubles as a tool for practical application within scenarios.

I understand it can be a very effective can opener. But I am still not interested.

 

[Acim]

Americans' fetish for guns is conditioned stupidity.

I agree with this, at least a little bit. But think this stupidity is fostered by stupidity that comes from belief in materialism, and all that promotes that in this world. That's a whole other discussion, perhaps best left out of the politics sub-forum, but I'll just add that a (truly) spiritual person realizes that physical arms are actually an insane form of defense, stemming from the insane belief that "I am my body."

A realist realizes no body lives forever, such that protection of that is truly shortsighted/myopic.

 

[Nous]

Americans don't have to be such idiots. Americans' fetish for guns is conditioned stupidity.

You aren't a bit bashful about insulting millions of Americans or our Constitutional Amendments.

No, my statement is a compliment to Americans--their gun fetish is not a genetic disorder; it can be overcome by education and a moral compass.

And I certainly didn't insult the Constitution.

 

[Nous]

I don't have guns. But the reasoning is also true for the government (i.e. police). As I've noted many times on RF, I favor gun control, but currently see the only way that works in America is if the government takes the lead, and doesn't expect the citizens to reciprocate. Essentially leads by example and shows you can live / thrive in this world without guns. Until that happens, then by the way the government justifies need for guns, I see a free nation, like America following the lead of it's government and understanding guns offer personal protection in a way that the government seemingly cannot provide. If anyone thinks the government will never do this, then just realize that the citizens will also never (voluntarily) do this.

Disarming police officers while the country is saturated in guns will not accomplish anything worthwhile.

 

[Acim]

Disarming police officers while the country is saturated in guns will not accomplish anything worthwhile.

I'm talking about voluntarily disarming under the idea of what you said in post #123 (final sentence).

 

[Nous]

I'm talking about voluntarily disarming under the idea of what you said in post #123 (final sentence).

Let me know when you convince a police department in the US that officers do not need guns.

 

[Kirran]

Guns are pretty rare in the British police force. Going into the airport in Delhi I saw more guns in five minutes than I'd seen in my entire life in the UK.

 

[Acim]

Let me know when you convince a police department in the US that officers do not need guns.

I will. Let me know when you convince a gun right advocate in the US that they don't need guns.

 

[Nous]

Guns are pretty rare in the British police force.

Guns are rarely in the hands of British citizens, especially pointed at police officers.

 

[Kirran]

Guns are rarely in the hands of British citizens, especially pointed at police officers.

And I wouldn't have it any other way!