Legal Gun Ownership Poll

[jeager106]

No, there is nothing funny about my question. You indeed seem to be promoting the ludicrous idea that your personal testimony and anecdotes are more informative of the truth than the findings of scientific studies.

Cool.
I get that.
I've only been there and experienced things most people only read about.

 

[Nous]

I'm curious why you support police officers having guns? I ask for many reasons, but for now, let's just go with has officers having guns thwarted any terrorist attack?

I support police officers having guns because they are often in life-threatening situations (most often because of people who also have guns).

I definitely would not say that the mere fact that police officers possess firearms has prevented any terrorist act from happening, however police officers often do arrive at a violent scene and prevent further deaths.

 

[Nous]

Cool.
I get that.
I've only been there and experienced things most people only read about.

Sorry to have to tell you, but your personal testimony and anecdotes are meaningless. They're no different than someone claiming "Oh, a drug cured my ailment, therefore it's effective."

 

[jeager106]

Sorry to have to tell you, but your personal testimony and anecdotes are meaningless. They're no different than someone claiming "Oh, a drug cured my ailment, therefore it's effective."

Thanks for the opinion.

 

[Acim]

I support police officers having guns because they are often in life-threatening situations (most often because of people who also have guns).

I definitely would not say that the mere fact that police officers possess firearms has prevented any terrorist act from happening, however police officers often do arrive at a violent scene and prevent further deaths.

So, anyone having a gun won't prevent terrorist attacks. Therefore that earlier point is defeated.

If any person is in life threatening situation, I'm thinking anyone that is pro guns (for any person) will go with logic of better to have a gun and not need it then need a gun and not have it.

 

[jeager106]

I support police officers having guns because they are often in life-threatening situations (most often because of people who also have guns).

I definitely would not say that the mere fact that police officers possess firearms has prevented any terrorist act from happening, however police officers often do arrive at a violent scene and prevent further deaths.

Terrorists acts are very hard to prevent.
That's why terrorists use terrorist tactics.
I prevented deaths almost daily when I was an officer.
MINE!
If my government passed laws demanding all firearms be surrendered
or face prison or worse then I'd............................

give them mine.

Stupid I ain't.

I still have my archery equipment to harvest game with.
I'm pretty good with a knife also despite my advancing years.
Training don'cha'know.
I've seen one man killed with a paring knife with a 1.5" blade.
And more..............................................
Frankly I've seen more murders committed with knives than guns.
I even recall one poor fellow stabbed through with a broken golf shaft.
Then the tragedy of the alcohol/drug impaired motorist.
Legalize pot doggone it!
I don't wanna see no mo'!
By the way. The police bullet resistant vest is pretty much useless
against a sharp knife.
(without the metal plate insert)
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Car wrecks are horrible.

 

[jeager106]

So, anyone having a gun won't prevent terrorist attacks. Therefore that earlier point is defeated.

If any person is in life threatening situation, I'm thinking anyone that is pro guns (for any person) will go with logic of better to have a gun and not need it then need a gun and not have it.

I do like that notion which is why I have one handy all the time.
Sheeple I ain't.

 

[esmith]

Not till you show an actual relationship between these two.

In post #76 Tiapan said that gun deaths went down due to the government seizing various types of firearms (paid compensation, but still mandatory). Attempted to show graph but graph not shown. I posted a graph of the gun deaths in the US in post #80 that showed a decline in gun homicides vs guns per person without the government seizing firearms and the increase in number of firearms per person.
Therefor if you follow common logic it does show an actual relationship between the two.....firearm deaths went down in both countries. One without government confiscation and the other with and the number of firearms per person increased in the U.S.
Oh here is the graph that I think Tiapan might have wanted to show.

or maybe this one

 

[Acim]

I do like that notion which is why I have one handy all the time.
Sheeple I ain't.

So far, the amount of times I've needed a gun are zero.
Though being on the rifle team in high school, I guess I needed one then in order to compete. Then again, didn't need to own one at that time.

 

[esmith]

So far, the amount of times I've needed a gun are zero.
Though being on the rifle team in high school, I guess I needed one then in order to compete. Then again, didn't need to own one at that time.

How many time have you needed a fire extinguisher?

 

[Acim]

How many time have you needed a fire extinguisher?

I think twice. Maybe as many as 5 times.

 

[jeager106]

How many time have you needed a fire extinguisher?

Yeah, I get the comparison.
How many times do we use the air bag in our car?
And other mental games I guess.
Like I've said several times I've seen way too much criminal violence
and been the victim of such not to go armed 24/7.

 

[Underhill]

RINO with 2 guns. I'm kinda old for concealed carry, but if Hillary Clinton won, then I would've applied again and bought more guns. I'm absolutely fine with liberal owning guns, but don't like their party trying for gun control so they should support the NRA. Heck, I'm for the death penalty and abortion.

I doubt Hillary would have changed much of anything about guns. Maybe enact another assault rifle ban which will affect almost no one.

Most of the stuff thrown around by the NRA about liberals just isn't true. The party does not want to ban guns. They want more regulation of fire arms but in my state such regulations will be meaningless since we are already far beyond the federal requirements. This is the case for at least a half dozen states across the country. As a gun owner living in one of those states I can tell you, it isn't a big deal.

 

[Nous]

Thanks for the opinion.

It's a fact. You should assimilate it.

 

[Nous]

So, anyone having a gun won't prevent terrorist attacks. Therefore that earlier point is defeated.

If someone's "point" was "defeated" here, quote it and show it.

 

[Nous]

I posted a graph of the gun deaths in the US in post #80 that showed a decline in gun homicides vs guns per person without the government seizing firearms and the increase in number of firearms per person.
Therefor if you follow common logic it does show an actual relationship between the two.....firearm deaths went down in both countries. One without government confiscation and the other with and the number of firearms per person increased in the U.S.

Exactly what are you claiming is "an actual relationship between the two"? "Between the two" what? State the relationship.

Gun crime can and does decline for various reasons other than due to a reduction in the number of privately owned firearms. One of the things that has happened in the US is the background check system, along with a plethora of state laws--e.g., laws requiring that a gun be safe-stored or trigger-locked when not being carried.

 

[jeager106]

Facts: There are more guns in private hands than in any other country
on earth.
Get over it.
No one who owns a firearm is going to give it up.
It matters not if a gun owner is a sportsman or N.R.A. member or target shooter or never uses the thing for any reason.
Americans want to own guns.

Number of guns and gun owners in USA. Most estimates range between 39% and 50% of US households having at least one gun (that's about 43-55 million households). The estimates for the number of privately owned guns range from 190 million to 300 million. Removed those that skew the stats for their own purposes the best estimates are about 45% or 52 million of American households owning 260 million guns).
http://www.answers.com/Q/How_many_gun_owners_are_there_in_the_United_States_of_America

Want to see the gov'ment try to take them away?
Well go for it.
molon abe

 

[Tiapan]

And I counter with

Seems that this blows your argument completely out of the water

It certainly blows John Howards argument out of the water, but if you had read on a little further, you would see my data agrees that decreasing gun ownership had little effect on overall shooting deaths in Australia.

Cheers

 

[Thief]

own a gun and a black belt.....will liberally apply both

 

[jeager106]

own a gun and a black belt.....will liberally apply both

I DO understand that.