Legal Gun Ownership Poll

[McBell]

Ok, but my entire argument on that was talking about recoil management, not range. At no point did I ever say "adding a bipod will increase the range of the weapon by 100 yards!" Sheesh...

You specifically said "point blank".
I do not know where you are from where "point blank" does not at the very least imply range.

Are you really that hard up for an argument?

Interesting.
This whole tangent is about you and another member nit picking an honest mistake by a third member.
And now you are getting upset when someone else does the same to you.
yes, interesting indeed.

If you do not want people following your example, you should set a different example.

 

[Neo Deist]

You specifically said "point blank".
I do not know where you are from where "point blank" does not at the very least imply range.


Interesting.
This whole tangent is about you and another member nit picking an honest mistake by a third member.
And now you are getting upset when someone else does the same to you.
yes, interesting indeed.

If you do not want people following your example, you should set a different example.

 

[Nous]

If we were attacked by any sort of terrorist I would need to go to my conservative friends and borrow some of the many firearms they own.

The massive number of privately owned guns in the US hasn't thwarted or stopped any terrorist attack, as far as I know.

 

[jeager106]

Molon Abe
BLM person Protests President Trump With Selfie…Accidentally Shoots Himself In The Face
By Randy | November 11, 2016

Taking a selfie with a loaded gun ended tragically in Washington, when a man accidently shot himself in the face while taking a picture. His girlfriend was next to him when the gun went off.

The man apparently had been greatly against Donald Trump, and many of his selfies included violence and profanities directed toward presidential candidate Donald Trump. According to his girlfriend the photo was supposed to be a joke about killing himself if Donald Trump were elected president.

As she told the police, this was not his first selfie with the weapon.
The fatal accident took place over the weekend, police in Skagit County said.
The man, whose name has not been released, thought the gun was unloaded and attempted to take a selfie while pointing the weapon at himself, the Skagit Valley Herald reported.

The man’s girlfriend said the couple had taken several selfies with the same gun on Sunday. Each time, he would unload the gun before taking a picture and then load the bullets back afterwards.

However, this was not the case with the man’s last selfie, as he apparently left one fatal bullet inside the chamber before the final photograph.

Darwin Award? Posthumously ????

Perhaps you understand why I'm pro-gun?
Sorry if that was insensitive.

 

[jeager106]

The massive number of privately owned guns in the US hasn't thwarted or stopped any terrorist attack, as far as I know.

As far as you know is right.
And just how would you know?
Got a direct line we don't know about?
When a uniformed police officer is on patrol in a marked police car
how many potential crimes might be stopped that no one will ever
know about?
Put that in your crystal ball.
I'm a retired (disabled) police officer. I initiated pro-active patrol.
Crime stats went way down. Gee go figure.
When people can develop some expertise on crime please come
back with a credible comment.
Or not.
By the way. I was disabled with broken back #4 among at least 13 other serious injuries.
I endured NINE months in physical therapy and FIVE YEARS
in psychotherapy for extreme p.t.s.d. and depression.
I was even POISONED while evacuating thousands of citizens
from the smoke of a chemical fire.
Two years later we learned the "chemical" was Agent Orange.
I have permanent nerve damage and NO feeling in my right upper
leg.
Other than those minor complaints I do o.k.

 

[jeager106]

And while I'm on my high horse rant...............
How in the 'ell would anything or anyone stop terrorism?
Such is the nature of terrorism.
How could anyone stop the stolen truck used to run down innocents
in France?
Gun control?
I believe in gun control.
Every gun owner should be able to hit the target.

Consider this if ya likes.

Nov 11, 2016
Attacks 58
Killed 449
Injured 545
Suicide Blasts 6
Countries 18

Please explain how "gun control" prevented any of the above?
Please explain how PRO GUN attitudes prevented any of the above?
"Preventing just one death by banning guns makes it worthwhile."
TRUE.
"Preventing just one death by banning alcohol is worthwhile."
Also TRUE.
"Banning cars eliminates drunk driving."
Also TRUE.
"Banning booze eliminates alcohol consumption."
Also TRUE.
Oh, WAIT. We did that and it didn't work did it?
Rebuttal welcome as always.
MOLON ABE!

It seems we Americans HATE violence, especially gun violence.
O.T.O.H. don't EVEN think of taking our guns from us.
Even NON gun owners say they want the opportunity to have a gun
if they feel the need.
That's o.k. IF they learn to SAFELY use and keep it.
Hitting the mark is a plus also.
Thanks for you attention to my rant.

( Chill out. It's the internet. Only electrons on a screen you see.)

About my attitude on certain subjects.
I make no apologies but consider that I served 22.5 years in the mean streets and SAW
EVERYTHING that should never happen to ANYONE that happened anyway.
Our small city ranked 49th in our State's population and in the TOP 10 for violent crime
every year according to F.B.I. stats.
Sickening.
Ever watch a man blow his head of with a shotgun 3 feet in front of you?
Ever interview and EIGHT year old girl with syphilis of the throat for the THIRD TIME?
And more.........................................
It's a shame but my "friends" weren't cops. They were prostitutes, gamblers, pimps, thieves,
and worse.
Today I have elevated my social circle.
I attend A.A. recovery with other drunks.
Go figure.
My friends are STILL ex- thieves, ex-drunks, ex-prostitutes ...............................
Elevated social status perhaps?
Thank you God for recovery from a hopeless state of body and mind.

 

[Nous]

As far as you know is right.
And just how would you know?
Got a direct line we don't know about?
When a uniformed police officer is on patrol in a marked police car
how many potential crimes might be stopped that no one will ever
know about?

That has nothing to do with the fact that privately owned guns in the US have neither thwarted or stopped any terrorist attack.

I support police officers having guns.

 

[McBell]

That has nothing to do with the fact that privately owned guns in the US have neither thwarted or stopped any terrorist attack.

The point is you do not know that.

 

[Nous]

The point is you do not know that.

I do know that not one of the massive number of privately owned guns in the US has stopped a terrorist attack in progress. There would have been a report of such an event.

I deduce that the massive numbers of privately owned guns in the US have not thwarted a terrorist attack because it doesn't make sense that terrorists would be psychologically immobilized by the idea of some private citizen having a gun.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I think the idea is that if one can not handle the recoil of the weapon then the accuracy range has been reduced

Probably still technically "point blank" for such a powerful gun, but it's not like it's a "Thor's Hammer" of a gun.

 

[Kirran]

If there is any man on the planet who say they don't want to shoot an antique colt dragoon revolver after knowing what it was then you have a lair.

You can tell it's an American writing this! I have absolutely zero inclination to do so It's a fascinating cultural quirk, the American predilection for guns. Not that it's universal.

 

[jeager106]

I do know that not one of the massive number of privately owned guns in the US has stopped a terrorist attack in progress. There would have been a report of such an event.

I deduce that the massive numbers of privately owned guns in the US have not thwarted a terrorist attack because it doesn't make sense that terrorists would be psychologically immobilized by the idea of some private citizen having a gun.

Psychologically immobilized........??????????????
Of course not.
A bullet to the head would immobilize.
No one will ever know how many crimes might have been thwarted
by the sight of a marked police car or the notion that some citizen might
blow snot out of some miscreant.
As for me I am armed or have a gun real handy 24/7/365.
That includes .45 automatics and some so called assault rifles.
Paranoid?
Yeah I think perhaps a bit.
But understand I'm a person that has SEEN everything that should
never happen to anyone that happened anyway.
Cheesh I even recall a man stabbed to death with a broken
golf shaft.
Then there was the guy stabbed ever so slightly with a parring knife
having a 1.5" blade.
Nicked the jugular you see.
Then (this is awful) there was the wife who caught her man in bed
with the "other" woman.
Wifie stuck the other right in the ...................................ah, the.........
well the...................her sex place with a LARGE butcher knife.
I got there well before the paramedics.
So what does one do to treat a wound in such a sensitive area?
Nuttin'!
I left the knife in place and tied her legs together with a bed sheet.
(ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww)

She lived.
The "other" went to jail for a few months.
(wonder why I drank heavily?)

 

[jeager106]

I have lot's of guns.
I have many black powder guns.
For those that may not know a black powder gun can be rifle, handgun,
or shotgun that uses black powder or faux black powder and usually
require zero paper work to purchase.
Most load from the muzzle.
Most are far more powerful than non gun people realize.
Fun as heck to shoot but a pain to clean.
I've taken deer with my replica muzzle loading black powder rifles.
Yes I eat venison.
and squirrels, and rabbits, and ducks, and....................................
Note: If it weren't for hunters there would be NO deer in Ohio.
Deer were classified as extinct in Ohio by the early 1900's.

 

[Nous]

Psychologically immobilized........??????????????
Of course not.

So you agree that the massive numbers of privately owned guns in the US have neither stopped a terrorist act in progress nor thwarted a terrorist from perpetrating a terrorist act.

 

[jeager106]

So you agree that the massive numbers of privately owned guns in the US have neither stopped a terrorist act in progress nor thwarted a terrorist from perpetrating a terrorist act.

Good points and I can't present much of an argument for gun ownership
preventing terror attacks.
Terrorists seem not to care much for their own lives so it seems to not
matter if a terrorists dies in the process of committing acts of violence.
Private gun ownership is not a deterrent to a suicidal terrorist.
It would be a rare case if an armed citizen could react to an armed
terrorist and not get killed in the process.
However with regards to criminal activity I'd rather think a gobblin
might feel attacking a person or persons who might be armed could
well be a deterrent.
Even the greatest military forces in the world can do little to stop
a determine terrorist attack.
If some gobblin attacks me or mine a price will be paid.
I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
I do believe that self defense is a basic human right.
Consider this however.
I was in the mean streets for over 22 years before being disabled
with broken back #4.
I could have shot people but chose not to.
Those situations worked out one way or another without a shot
being fired by me or my officers.
I'm glad of that.
I don't want to ever hurt anyone.
That said no one is going to hurt me, mine, you, or yours if I'm in
a position to stop the violence.
I know 3 police officers that did kill others in the line of duty.
NOT one was "right" after that and they eventually took disability
retirements.
Most police officers don't want to hurt anyone.
I've physically hurt gobblins to affect an arrest and it's awful.
Almost as awful as being hurt.
My injuries are crippling to this day and as I grow older the pain
grows worse.
So it goes.
I can still walk and get around just fine in spite of the injuries.
The emotional and mental damage is quite another kind of pain
that seems to haunt me from time to time.
Five years of psychotherapy for depression and severe p.t.s.d.
did help a lot.
From time to time I see a therapist specializing in p.t.s.d. delayed
syndrome and that is quite helpful.

 

[Tiapan]

The Port Arthur massacre of 28–29 April 1996 was a massacre in which 35 people were killed and 23 wounded. After this shattering mass shooting by a crazy Martin Bryant, our previous Prime Minister, little Johnny Howard, took most of the guns from the Australians, (from the law abiding citizens) and crushed them to scrap, in a huge buy back program. No automatics now, just bolt action, police checks, mental checks, safety courses and license fees, secure storage and separation of bolt, gun and ammo just to use a .22. If you are caught with an unregistered weapon its 10 years jail.

Here is a graph of Australian gun deaths. (Australian Population = 25 Million)

It is interesting to note that removing 660,959 firearms from society in 1996 actually had very little effect on the overall downward trend in the rate of Deaths due to Shooting.
(note most of these deaths were suicides)

Compare this to the US version (US Population 300 Million) (no Suicides)

Cheers

 

[Nous]

However with regards to criminal activity I'd rather think a gobblin
might feel attacking a person or persons who might be armed could
well be a deterrent.

Except the evidence shows that states and countries with higher rates of gun ownership have higher rates of firearm homicide:

Results. Gun ownership was a significant predictor of firearm homicide rates (incidence rate ratio = 1.009; 95% confidence interval = 1.004, 1.014). This model indicated that for each percentage point increase in gun ownership, the firearm homicide rate increased by 0.9%.

Conclusions. We observed a robust correlation between higher levels of gun ownership and higher firearm homicide rates. Although we could not determine causation, we found that states with higher rates of gun ownership had disproportionately large numbers of deaths from firearm-related homicides.​

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3828709/

[This article] describes ecological studies of the United States that have contrasted the levels of gun availability and homicide across regions, States, and rural and urban areas. The available evidence is quite consistent. The few case control studies suggest that households with firearms are at higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide. International cross-sectional studies of high-income countries find that in countries with more firearms, both men and women are at higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide. The strongest evidence came from cross-sectional analyses of United States regions and States. In summation, places with higher levels of gun ownership are places with higher homicide rates. Most studies, cross sectional or time series, international or domestic, are consistent with the hypothesis that higher levels of gun prevalence substantially increase the homicide rate.​

https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/Abstract.aspx?id=206421

 

[Valjean]

It seems there's a widespread fear in America that thugs will break into your house while you're inside and attack you or rob you, necessitating firearm ownership. Is this something that actually commonly happens there?

No, the thugs don't dare -- they're afraid they'd get shot.

But, of course, without all the guns here they'd be pouring in by the dozen, so we need to be well armed.

 

[ShivaFan]

I legally own at least one firearm and am a Nationalist. That one isn't on the choices but is now a very popular stance among millions of Americans as the recent Presidential and previous Congressional elections will testify to.

But just as important is not only do I legally own guns, I also own a lot of bullets and I think any gun owner needs to have a good supply of bullets.

This is becoming more important considering the crime wave of thugs and home invasions and domestic Islamic extremism, and here in California and especially in L.A. the coming mega-earthquake that will leave innocents without police protection after the earth moves beneath your feet because the police will be too busy protecting people like Jerry Brown and not the average citizen and it will take the National Guard or the military too long to sweep in to stop the L.A. criminal gangs and looters.

However, in regards specifically to ISIS, there is good news - but keep in mind as ISIS is destroyed beyond the homeland they will double the efforts to blow up Disneyland. So buy more guns now.

But the good news is, and this could be the death nail of ISIS in Raqqa, Trump and Putin vow to tackle ISIS together as they hold breakthrough talks after the election!

President-elect Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin have vowed to tackle ISIS together after holding breakthrough talks on the telephone. This is really amazing, Trump isn't even officially President yet but already bringing Peace and Prosperity.

Also, it looks like Rudy Giuliani may get either the Secretary of State job or the Attorney General job! From God's mouth to my ears, hope it is true, not only can he start arresting illegal aliens for federal offences against our voting laws and throwing them out of our country, but also investigate the massive crimes of the Clinton Foundation.

The Soros assassins and thugs naturally will cause more violence and brutality. But with Christmas coming, there will be gun sale deals for Christmas as you prepare to defend yourself, family, from these crackheads.

 

[esmith]

The Port Arthur massacre of 28–29 April 1996 was a massacre in which 35 people were killed and 23 wounded. After this shattering mass shooting by a crazy Martin Bryant, our previous Prime Minister, little Johnny Howard, took most of the guns from the Australians, (from the law abiding citizens) and crushed them to scrap, in a huge buy back program. No automatics now, just bolt action, police checks, mental checks, safety courses and license fees, secure storage and separation of bolt, gun and ammo just to use a .22. If you are caught with an unregistered weapon its 10 years jail.

Here is a graph of Australian gun deaths. (Australian Population = 25 Million)

It is interesting to note that removing 660,959 firearms from society in 1996 actually had very little effect on the overall downward trend in the rate of Deaths due to Shooting.
(note most of these deaths were suicides)

Compare this to the US version (US Population 300 Million) (no Suicides)

Cheers

And I counter with

Seems that this blows your argument completely out of the water