mikkel_the_dane
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We don't know that. You are both thinking about it assuming that can decide it.
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Let's not talk about the Big Bang
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We don't know that. You are both thinking about it assuming that can decide it.
No, to 'come into existence' implies a change *in time*.
If time itself is finite into the past, there was no point at which it "wasn't".
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Samething. No time, then time. It poofed
mikkel_the_dane
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No, it is about the limit of empiricism and how that works in practice. It is epistemology.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Good, if...
There was no point at which there was no time. So no, it was not 'no time, then time'. It was simply 'time'.
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If something didn't exist and then it did exist, and there was no before.... Then it poofed into existence.
mikkel_the_dane
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Now you are doing it again. Taking for grant what makes sense in your brain, is so independent of your brain.
Which is the case under the standard BB theory. In other theories, it is not the case. We don't know which is correct, but we can't dismiss the BB model simply based on this reasoning.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
We don't know. You are thinking it in your brain and that is all.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
No, we just stop claim we know.
No, if there was no 'before', then it cannot have 'poofed'. It simply has always existed (throughout all time), but time itself is finite.
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Poofed doesn't require change of time or any pre.
We don't know, but we do have some alternatives.
OK, then the problem with poofing is?
mikkel_the_dane
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Yeah, different models in brains in the end. But just remember they are in brains.
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You're the one that seems to have a problem with poofing.
It wasn't then it was. It poofed or always existed.
mikkel_the_dane
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Or is an infinite regress or circular. If you want to play philosophy, then learn that there are more options.
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Sorry but you seem to be contradicting yourself about what is physical and continue to repeat the assertion about continua disappearing at the "Quantum smallest scale" which isn't current physics (tested theory).
What I said. Continuous space and time appear in current quantum theory.
So you keep asserting but you can't point to a current tested theory that backs it up. Quantisation of space and time is currently hypothetical.
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According to @Polymath257 we know 15 bya it didn't exist then 13 5 bya it did exist.
It wasn't then it was.