Let's Present Some Evidence ...

[Atheologian]

You don't need God to say something is beautiful. You don't need God to love another human being. You don't need God to value life. You don't need God to be a moral person. You don't need God to know right from wrong. Let's make this clear as well "D

 

[Atheologian]

This proof of God, proof of absence of God is a circle that will never end, because you CAN'T disprove something just because it doesn't exist. We know better than to believe in Leprechauns and Unicorns, but that doesn't mean we can disprove them. This type of discussion only adds fuel to a theist's fire, who relies solely of the absence of knowledge and proof. To those of who who would suggest an atheist relies on the absence of proof, I can cripple that theory with a few very simple examples. Bacteria. The Earth's orbit. Dinosaurs. Mentioning things like these a few centuries ago, could have had you "put to the question", if you were Christian, decapitated if you were a jew or a muslim. Even the eastern religions would have laughed you out of the room at the suggestion of microbial life. The further we delve scientifically, the harder it is for religion to maintain relevance in the modern world.

 

[PureX]

You don't need God to say something is beautiful. You don't need God to love another human being. You don't need God to value life. You don't need God to be a moral person. You don't need God to know right from wrong. Let's make this clear as well

You don't know what I need. You don't know what other people need. Also, Maybe I want God to exist. Lots of people want God to exist. And you don't know that God does not exist.

So what are you offering anyone. And why?

 

[Atheologian]

You don't know what I need. You don't know what other people need. Also, Maybe I want God to exist. Lots of people want God to exist. And you don't know that God does not exist.

So what are you offering anyone. And why?

what you want and what you need are seperate things. You don't NEED a god for any reason, whatsoever. There are simply no needs in life that require there to be a GOD.

 

[Atheologian]

and why do you think everyone should offer you something? Greedy much? Do you feel you are that important?

 

[Atheologian]

Do you feel you are entitled to the answers of the Universe?

 

[Atheologian]

This thread is merely the catalyst for a cyclical, nonsensical, highly opinionated discussion. When you are discussing something that can not be proven, because it does not exist, it often can't be disproven either. It's the old Tea Pot orbitting the moon discussion. You can't prove it's not there, I can't prove it's there.

 

[Atheologian]

However, I would assume if something did exist, you'd be able to prove it.

 

[Willamena]

I think proving or disproving god is irrelevant. It's the relevance of god that matters, and we can blow that out of the water every time. The religions that are associated with whatever God you choose, are generally full of misinformation, bogus history and science, false explenations of natural occurances and rare events, etc. etc. When You take away the religion that holds him on the pedestal, shouldn't the God and the pedestal fall too? This is why deists are foolish, in my opinion.
They cling to that pedestal, that notion of a higher power, while there's nothing there to hold it up.
No amount of metaphorical metamorphysis of scripture is going to hide the fact that you are jumping halfway into the pond of ignorance, and telling the rest of us how cool it is to be half wet. We know, you're enlightened.

The pedestal you hold them on, though, is a straw man of your own making. That's why "God" doesn't fall when you kick the pedestal down. That's why they continue to "cling" even when you see nothing holding them up.

 

[Atheologian]

The pedestal you hold them on, though, is a straw man of your own making. That's why "God" doesn't fall when you kick the pedestal down. That's why they continue to "cling" even when you see nothing holding them up.

Sure he does. It's only when gullible people continue to hold him up does he survive. Some perfect examples of the pedestal falling are Zeus and Apollo, Set and Osiris, Lillith, Joseph Smith. Oh wait, Joseph smith fits in that first category, of gullible people holding up his pedestal. I realize he's only the "prophet", but so was Jesus and so was Mohammed. Same idea. These religions perservere because of gullible people.

 

[Atheologian]

What I meant by nothing there to hold it up, was that without the believers, the Deity would dissapear. There is no factual support.

 

[Willamena]

Sure he does.

I suspect that if he did, you wouldn't have anything to complain about.

 

[Atheologian]

Consider this: What if the real god was Zeus? What if atheists, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Tao and Daoists, they were all wrong. It was Zeus the whole time. Just a big joke, he was hiding out until the last minute, to say, "Surprise! It's me, the King of the Greek Gods, I did it."
So here we are, proof of God, it's Zeus. This means that Jesus and Allah and Yahweh and Shiva and Budha and every other prophet or deity is false. Full of it. They are made up.
Would you be angry that the deity you beleived in were false?

 

[Atheologian]

Wouldn't be much to be angry about, you know he isn't real, if Zeus is the real deal

 

[Atheologian]

So what if we just stopped believing in deities?

 

[Atheologian]

There'd be no reason to hold the pillar up, no facts to support the deity, no reason he should exist at all.

 

[Atheologian]

Basically, if you know it's based on a lie, why believe it anyway?

 

[Willamena]

Consider this: What if the real god was Zeus? What if atheists, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Tao and Daoists, they were all wrong. It was Zeus the whole time. Just a big joke, he was hiding out until the last minute, to say, "Surprise! It's me, the King of the Greek Gods, I did it."
So here we are, proof of God, it's Zeus. This means that Jesus and Allah and Yahweh and Shiva and Budha and every other prophet or deity is false. Full of it. They are made up.
Would you be angry that the deity you beleived in were false?

Do you know what "mythology" is?

 

[Atheologian]

Do you know what "mythology" is?

DO you? It's the study of ancient religions.

 

[Willamena]

DO you? It's the study of ancient religions.

In what way?