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ratikala

ratikala

Istha gosthi
namaskaram Luis ji

LuisDantas said:
Does it now? I beg to differ.

What I have seen of the revealed religions does not seem to suggest that the wisdom of the revelations of these people you call Messengers is all that exceptional. They may be generally somewhat skilled at presenting their messages in ways that try to make sense for a larger audience, but there is rarely any remarkable difference between the wisdom proper of everyday people with a modicum of intelligence, sincere intention and moral courage and that of your Messengers.
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those that support the notion of given messages or revealations generaly do so not out of blind faith but because those messages or teachings have touched the heart , ....it is not so much a case of inteligent or skillfull delivery but purity of intention which makes any revelation or its revealer divine , ...

Also, that is at least arguably necessary and a good thing. It would not do to have good messages that can't be well understood by the masses. Not only understood, but also applied with good discernment and the ability to improve on them.
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true true we should apply inteligence and guard against insincerity , but still any message or example set can only be seen or heard by those with sufficient purity to recognise the truth of any revealation , ....
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
ratikala said:
those that support the notion of given messages or revealations generaly do so not out of blind faith but because those messages or teachings have touched the heart , ....it is not so much a case of inteligent or skillfull delivery but purity of intention which makes any revelation or its revealer divine , ...

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true true we should apply inteligence and guard against insincerity , but still any message or example set can only be seen or heard by those with sufficient purity to recognise the truth of any revealation , ....
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I take it that you see a distinction, then?
 
The_Fisher_King

The_Fisher_King

Trying to bring myself ever closer to Allah
Premium Member
Aupmanyav said:
There was a petition in our Supreme Court as to why people should be counted on the basis of religion in a secular society. The Court accepted that plea and since then, in Census, identity papers (passport etc.), admissions to educational institutions, applications for jobs, etc., asking for a person's religion is unconstitutional in India.

An old count put the number of tribal population at 7.5% (I think it is from 1931 Census), and these many people are getting the benefit of 'affirmative action' since independence. Only Hindus are eligible for that because they had caste distinctions. Muslims and Christians said that there is no caste distinction in their society, therefore they were not included.

The actual reason for that petition, which was inspired by the ruling Nehru-Gandhi-dynasty party, was to hide the decreasing percentage of Hindus and increasing percentage of Muslims (mostly by illegal migration from Bangladesh) and Christians (conversions) in India. A religious census was permitted in 2011 by the parliament to ascertain the economic condition of different sections of the society. In 1951, Hindus made 84.1% of the population, now they constitute 79.8%). During the same period Muslim population has increased from 9.8% to 14.2%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_India#Statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribal_religions_in_India
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Just to say, I wasn't suggesting that one should ask for people's religion in a census.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
There is that "other kind" of heart, the one physicians attent do. And there is what you likely meant. The boldness, presence and joy of people at their best.
 
ratikala

ratikala

Istha gosthi
LuisDantas said:
There is that "other kind" of heart, the one physicians attent do. And there is what you likely meant. The boldness, presence and joy of people at their best.
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Heart as in the blood pumping organ , ....no no , ....
The boldness , presence and Joy of people at their best , yes .....but also the empathy that goes beyond the self . goes beyond its own presence and personal joy to ecperience the one presence , ...the ultimate presence which is God , which is Bliss , which is Sat-cit -ananad
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
It is fair to believe in God. And it is no less fair to disbelieve. Surely you understand that, @ratikala ?

Because you have put me in doubt now.
 
LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
No. I meant that theistic chauvinism is not something that I expect to find in honorable people.
 
ratikala

ratikala

Istha gosthi
the The Bahá’í equaly sould be free , .....

DJ_sXe said:
Hey, everyone! Uh, while looking through, as well as posting in, a thread created by @LuisDantas offering a critique of a particular way at approaching other religions, I began to notice that a certain religion was the recurrent target of such critiques, the same religion with which I, as well as a few others on the Forums, identify – The Bahá’í Faith. Having thought about those various criticisms raised concerning a particular way in which some Bahá’ís or I, myself, have approached other religions, I am prepared to open up this thread for any constructive criticisms or questions from (primarily) my Hindu and Buddhist brothers and sisters, though of course, my brothers and sisters who follow other religions (or none) are, as well, more than free to chime in with any questions or constructive criticisms. Additionally, I’m going to give my own thoughtful responses to each. This thread is designed to give me some new methods, some new considerations in my approaching other religions, going back to the quote from the Kitáb-i-Aqdas:

“Consort ye with the followers of all religions in a spirit of friendliness and fellowship!”

So, have at me....hahahahaha!! Peace and Blessings to one and all.
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is it wrong that a Bahá’í should , ...“Consort ye with the followers of all religions in a spirit of friendliness and fellowship!” , ....

if so why is it wrong ?

to be peacfull , loving accepting and freindly , ...is there something wrong in this ???


''Chauvanism'' , ...where does Chauvanism come into it ?

Deffinition Chauvanism , .....
exaggerated or aggressive patriotism.
synonyms: jingoism, excessive patriotism, blind patriotism, excessive nationalism, sectarianism, isolationism, excessive loyalty, flag-waving, xenophobia, racism, racialism, racial prejudice, ethnocentrism, ethnocentricity; More
partisanship, partiality, prejudice, bias, discrimination, intolerance, bigotry;
male chauvinism, sexism, misogyny
"they have a tendency towards small-mindedness and chauvinism"
excessive or prejudiced support for one's own cause, group, or sex.

what is ''theistic Chauvanism '' ?

and by the same measure can an atheist not be equaly Chauvanistic in his flag waving and prejudices ?

does it get humanity anywhere ? .....meaning does it advance humanity ? ..society ?

Surely the Bahá’í is one of the least racist , least zenaphobic , least ethnocentric , ....least intolerant , ....

or am I missing something ?

should we not focus upon the benifits of a religion and beleif ?
 
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