Let's Stop Pretending That Islam is a Religion of Peace

[FearGod]

This isn't a real document though, likely a forgery. It might possibly have been based on a covenant made with ibn al-As, as he was known to be in contact with Christians in Egypt which is where the Muhammed/Mukawkis letter myth originated. Muhammed as the author makes no sense though.

The Muslims didn't attempt to conquer that land until several years after Muhammed died, it was either Persian or Roman territory during Muhammed's lifetime.

That is a biased opinion, if a document says Islam is a peaceful religion then it's a forgery and if one other story says it's violent then it's a real story.

 

[Augustus]

That is a biased opinion, if a document says Islam is a peaceful religion then it's a forgery and if one other story says it's violent then it's a real story.

Your opinion is purely objective of course.

It's nothing about the content, it's about history. Either it is real or it isn't.

The fact remains that the Arabs didn't rule over Egypt until long after Muhammed died, and this monastery is in Egypt.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

This isn't a real document though, likely a forgery. It might possibly have been based on a covenant made with ibn al-As, as he was known to be in contact with Christians in Egypt which is where the Muhammed/Mukawkis letter myth originated. Muhammed as the author makes no sense though.

The Muslims didn't attempt to conquer that land until several years after Muhammed died, it was either Persian or Roman territory during Muhammed's lifetime.

This isn't a real document though, likely a forgery. It might possibly have been based on a covenant made with ibn al-As, as he was known to be in contact with Christians in Egypt which is where the Muhammed/Mukawkis letter myth originated. Muhammed as the author makes no sense though.

The Muslims didn't attempt to conquer that land until several years after Muhammed died, it was either Persian or Roman territory during Muhammed's lifetime.

Islamic history gave us this information
Before the death of Mohammed got military skirmishes on the outskirts of Damascus and the outskirts of Iraq
Mohammed and the message to the king of the Persians can be true
After Muhammad's death
It was eliminated Arabs who rejected Islam and called wars of apostasy which was its leader, Abu Bakr Siddiq
After it was eliminated Arabs who refuse to name
It has been sent Islamist forces
Its goal was the spoils
And jihad for GodThe confusion between the spoils between God and was the driving force to thousands of people
God allows the spoils of war
Struggling to God until you get the spoils
And killed in the battles will win Balhoriat in ParadiseThese teachings were the driving force for the people in that time period
And also this spirit is still driving for Muslims

Education spoils of the teachings of the Koran
Muslims seek and running behind the booty and spoils a broad concept that includes women and children and stuff
Women of the spoils of war
Muhammad married one of them also a Jewish wife
This is Islam, my friend

 

[Revoltingest]

Apple seed produces an apple
The seed of Islam produces terrorists over the ages?
From the beginning there is a history full of death
Even the descendants of Muhammad were killed and who killed them is Muslim
Billy exudes what it
These seeds of Islam 1400 years ago and to this day is full of history with blood

To clarify....
I don't think Islam is the religion of peace.
But I see potential for peaceful Muslims.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

To clarify....
I don't think Islam is the religion of peace.
But I see potential for peaceful Muslims.

You live in Western countries
They do not know the real Islam
These Muslim immigrants to use your own pious
And dissimulation of the verses of the Koran
But the interpretation is different between the two schools Islamist groups are Shiite and Sunni sects
In the western Muslim be your own man, very polite
And want to give a good image of religion
But in his actions to Aindemj with your community
He refuses your sacrifices
And it rejects a lot butBut after he meets in the hotbeds of population gravity of Islam will appear on your own
Beginnings and now are in the old Yugoslavia
And will also appear in Germany's Turkish population through original foci
In Britain
In France
In Australia
In the near future if you're alive you'll hear from the Islamist movements seeking to establish an Islamic rule in these countries Systems

 

[Revoltingest]

You live in Western countries
They do not know the real Islam
These Muslim immigrants to use your own pious
And dissimulation of the verses of the Koran
But the interpretation is different between the two schools Islamist groups are Shiite and Sunni sects
In the western Muslim be your own man, very polite
And want to give a good image of religion
But in his actions to Aindemj with your community
He refuses your sacrifices
And it rejects a lot butBut after he meets in the hotbeds of population gravity of Islam will appear on your own
Beginnings and now are in the old Yugoslavia
And will also appear in Germany's Turkish population through original foci
In Britain
In France
In Australia
In the near future if you're alive you'll hear from the Islamist movements seeking to establish an Islamic rule in these countries Systems

Perhaps the best expression of Islam happens in secular western countries, eh?

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I want to see Muslims realise that stripping minority religions of their rights and using that as a justification to force them to pay protection money simply because they're non-Muslim is immoral. I want you to realise that extorting money out of minorities who already have limited rights under Islamic rule simply because you can is gangsterism. You need to realise that forcing non-Muslims to pay a tax Muslims don't have to is forcing your religious beliefs on them and face up to the fact that you support gangsterism and extortion. Both of which are immoral.

If every nation in Europe levied a tax on Muslims simply because they're Muslims it would be an immoral tax because it is discriminatory.

It's from the teachings of the Koran
Immoral and unethical
In previous times was the most important actions of Muslims
It's the second way after the sword in the spread of Islam
Here's a Quranic verse
The Fight those who do not believe in God and the last day ------
Until they pay tribute out of hand and they are submissive

 

[Revoltingest]

It's from the teachings of the Koran
Immoral and unethical
In previous times was the most important actions of Muslims
It's the second way after the sword in the spread of Islam
Here's a Quranic verse
The Fight those who do not believe in God and the last day ------
Until they pay tribute out of hand and they are submissive

The Koran is like its other Abrahamic religions' scriptural prescriptions in having lots'o violence.
And yet they too manage to be mostly peaceful, especially in secularly governed countries
People are always at risk of committing heinous violence.
Eternal vigilance is required.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Perhaps the best expression of Islam happens in secular western countries, eh?

That the style of the devil
You will not feel it, but your grandchildren suffer from it
They now take their wives and deployed
I remember the words of one of the elders of oil, which the Amir of Kuwait
In the eighties of the last century
His famous words
He said (We will take the presidency from the wombs of your wives)
Do you know the meaning of these words?
He Islamist goal

 

[Revoltingest]

That the style of the devil
You will not feel it, but your grandchildren suffer from it
They now take their wives and deployed
I remember the words of one of the elders of oil, which the Amir of Kuwait
In the eighties of the last century
His famous words
He said (We will take the presidency from the wombs of your wives)
Do you know the meaning of these words?
He Islamist goal

I've no worries about The Devil.
That fear is for believers only.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

The Koran is like its other Abrahamic religions' scriptural prescriptions in having lots'o violence.
And yet they too manage to be mostly peaceful, especially in secularly governed countries.

This is confusing
You're going to hazy ideas
Ibrahim about one idea
Namely that the earth and its creatures creator of one
This is Ibrahim
He did not announce any religion
Ibrahim Jews and descendants of the Hebrews
And Judaism Nchaet on the idea that God is one
But it's not a missionary
It is that God is God, special Balabbaranyen
And the Christianity they belong to Judaism but also with the concept and the essence of another
That God is loveBut Islam, it does not belong to Abraham
Because of fights descendants of Abraham
Ejarb teachings of peace in Christianity
The result is that the Aantmi to them
I wish you to look to the future
Christianity that mistakes are human errors
And not the teachings of mistakes
While the contrary in Islam
Islamic teachings mistakes are mistakes
The match with human errors
And give legal cover to human mistakes

 

[Unification]

Those Religions which thrived in the Middle East before Islam which are now oppressed:

- Christianity
- Zoroastrianism
- Judaism
- Various forms of Paganism

Last, Bahai is struggling to make a niche for itself because Islamic "justice" keeps sentencing them to death and oppressing them. They shut down their schools and other such places.

How many of these groups live in peace in Muslim lands?

How many Churches, Synagogues and other temples exist in, say, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan? Either not many or none, and none are allowed to be built anew and the current ones are not allowed to be repaired.

Second, jizyah - a tax for Christians and Jews to pay just so they can live in Islamic lands which were once their own! How many Christian countries fine you just for being Muslim? I certainly can't name any.

According to Muhammad:

Narrated Said bin Jubair:
Ibn 'Abbas said ... "The Prophet on his death-bed, gave three orders saying, ‘Expel the pagans from the Arabian Peninsula, respect and give gifts to the foreign delegates as you have seen me dealing with them.’ I forgot the third (order)" (Ya'qub bin Muhammad said, "I asked Al-Mughira bin 'Abdur-Rahman about the Arabian Peninsula and he said, ‘It comprises Mecca, Medina, Al-Yamama and Yemen.’" Ya'qub added, "And Al-Arj, the beginning of Tihama.") (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 288)

Here is the Qur'anic ayah about jizyah:

Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgement of superiority and they are in a state of subjection [Quran 9:29]

We have to pay a tax (jizyah) and be in "subjection" or else the Muslims will KILL us.

Here are the words of one Sheikh Najih Ibrahim ibn Abdullah:

"...to spare the blood (of the Zimmis [Dhimmis]), to be a symbol of humiliation of the infidels and as an insult and punishment to them, and as the Shafi`ites indicate, the Jizya is offered in exchange for residing in an Islamic country." Thus Ibn Qayyim adds, "Since the entire religion belongs to God, it aims at humiliating ungodliness and its followers, and insulting them. Imposing the Jizya on the followers of ungodliness and oppressing them is required by God's religion. The Qur'anic text hints at this meaning when it says: `until they give the tribute by force with humiliation.' (Qur'an 9:29). What contradicts this is leaving the infidels to enjoy their might and practice their religion as they wish so that they would have power and authority."

In one SAHIH BUKHARI HADITH Muhammad boasts:

Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." Abu Huraira added: Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).

[4.52.220]

Muslims not to take Jews and Christians for friends:

O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people [Quran 5:51]

It also calls them 'unjust people'.

Wife-beating permitted by God himself:

Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. [Quran Verse 4:34]

This isn't even if they have proven themselves unfaithful, but only even if the husband 'fears' it.

Jews and Christians as the worst of creatures:

Verily, those who [despite all evidence] are bent on denying the truth - [be they] from among the followers of earlier revelation or from among those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God - will find themselves in the fire of hell, therein to abide: they are the worst of all creatures. Surah 98 ayah 6



Please stop parading this as a Religion of Peace, because it's not.

Taking that mostly literally is the problem with religion.

The woman is the mind, the subconscious mind, mankinds helpmate. Not a literal girl. Men(mankind) are the maintainers of the mind.

Anyone denying the truth will be in conscious states of suffering, depression, misery one way or another. Jizya is a state of mind. This state is offered instead of residing in a blissful/peaceful state of mind.

For a mind to dwell in peace, a tax(price/consequence) must be paid. Any "holy" land and it's potential resides within the human, the mind made victorious, not literal land.

Churches, temples, and synanogues are also the mind of mankinds creation. The church, temple, and synanogue are supposed to be the human being's mind and body. The mind needs destroyed and rebuilt. Not more literal buildings.

Christianity and Judaism have their shortcomings too, and if one were aware of this... feed right into the false systems and oppressions of people. They all should be about inner truth, liberation, peace, and equality. The "infidels" and "Pharisees/Pharoahs"(the outward religious mindset of the ego) all enjoy their might, dogma, power and authority(control) over the masses. They fail to allow or teach anyone to enter within themselves and find the real truth, peace, and life that comes with no guilt, control, dogma, paying money, and lies. None of them are fully religions of peace if one is aware/awake to the micro levels of problems and divide they create.

You're speaking of false Islam and false interpretation of text, not true inner Islam of peace.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I've no worries about The Devil.
That fear is for believers only.

I mind my faith in faith
I also do not fear the devil
Because I think the devil is in us
Because we said we want to be demons or be good
It was a relative concept
I was just to Aaamn in any religion that promotes terrorism
Or that it is better
Or eliminates the personal freedom

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Taking that mostly literally is the problem with religion.

The woman is the mind, the subconscious mind, mankinds helpmate. Not a literal girl. Men(mankind) are the maintainers of the mind.

Anyone denying the truth will be in conscious states of suffering, depression, misery one way or another. Jizya is a state of mind. This state is offered instead of residing in a blissful/peaceful state of mind.

For a mind to dwell in peace, a tax(price/consequence) must be paid. Any "holy" land and it's potential resides within the human, the mind made victorious, not literal land.

Churches, temples, and synanogues are also the mind of mankinds creation. The church, temple, and synanogue are supposed to be the human being's mind and body. The mind needs destroyed and rebuilt. Not more literal buildings.

Christianity and Judaism have their shortcomings too, and if one were aware of this... feed right into the false systems and oppressions of people. They all should be about inner truth, liberation, peace, and equality. The "infidels" and "Pharisees/Pharoahs"(the outward religious mindset of the ego) all enjoy their might, dogma, power and authority(control) over the masses. They fail to allow or teach anyone to enter within themselves and find the real truth, peace, and life that comes with no guilt, control, dogma, paying money, and lies. None of them are fully religions of peace if one is aware/awake to the micro levels of problems and divide they create.

You're speaking of false Islam and false interpretation of text, not true inner Islam of peace.

Interpretation of the Koran is in his own words
Ordinances and laws
You can not interpret the Koran on the breeze

 

[Rival]

Taking that mostly literally is the problem with religion.

The woman is the mind, the subconscious mind, mankinds helpmate. Not a literal girl. Men(mankind) are the maintainers of the mind.

Anyone denying the truth will be in conscious states of suffering, depression, misery one way or another. Jizya is a state of mind. This state is offered instead of residing in a blissful/peaceful state of mind.

For a mind to dwell in peace, a tax(price/consequence) must be paid. Any "holy" land and it's potential resides within the human, the mind made victorious, not literal land.

Churches, temples, and synanogues are also the mind of mankinds creation. The church, temple, and synanogue are supposed to be the human being's mind and body. The mind needs destroyed and rebuilt. Not more literal buildings.

Christianity and Judaism have their shortcomings too, and if one were aware of this... feed right into the false systems and oppressions of people. They all should be about inner truth, liberation, peace, and equality. The "infidels" and "Pharisees/Pharoahs"(the outward religious mindset of the ego) all enjoy their might, dogma, power and authority(control) over the masses. They fail to allow or teach anyone to enter within themselves and find the real truth, peace, and life that comes with no guilt, control, dogma, paying money, and lies. None of them are fully religions of peace if one is aware/awake to the micro levels of problems and divide they create.

You're speaking of false Islam and false interpretation of text, not true inner Islam of peace.

You lost me at "jizyah is a state of mind."

It's not. It's a tax. Seriously, it's a real live, hard cash based tax levied on non-Muslims who live in Muslim lands just for being non-Muslims.

 

[MARCELLO]

Even if they weren't hung for being gay (which I believe they were), does Islam generally take a nice approach towards gay folks? Does it take a nice approach to Jews? Christians? Pagans? Wives? Little girls?

This isn't about your experience with indie Muslims, it's about Islam.

Is it peaceful?

What about uganda,india,western africa? Do you think gays are comfortable there?

Or my ''western highly medically educated'' family?

 

[MARCELLO]

arguing that a religion is bad is 'for people ' not against them. at least it is if you believe that. again islam=/=muslim

Islam:muslim,do you bet with me?

 

[Rival]

What about uganda,india,western africa? Do you think gays are comfortable there?

Or my ''western highly medically educated'' family?

I'm not talking about places and people, I'm talking about Islam itself, what its scriptures dictate should be done. If those countries aren't basing it on Islam then that is not the topic I am talking about.

 

[Iti oj]

Islam:muslim,do you bet with me?

what?

 

[Unification]

You lost me at "jizyah is a state of mind."

It's not. It's a tax. Seriously, it's a real live, hard cash based tax levied on non-Muslims who live in Muslims lands just for being non-Muslims.

Yes, the reality coming outwardly by interpreting "spiritual/inner" texts outwardly instead of inwardly.

"Jizyah" came from texts. There is a false interpretation of "jizyah" which is the real life tax on literal land and people. Then there is the true interpretation of "Jizyah" which is a real life tax on the inner mind of a human on their "land" within.