Let's Stop Pretending That Islam is a Religion of Peace

[MARCELLO]

I'm not talking about places and people, I'm talking about Islam itself, what its scriptures dictate should be done. If those countries aren't basing it on Islam then that is not the topic I am talking about.

Before sixties,there was absolutely no issue with islam.Even palestinia was a leftist issue supported by europe. You do not want to understand me. The muslims are sooooooo angry that you ( also many times I do the same,too) see them as 2nd class. That's the issue. Have you ever seen a muslim with muslim country passport in a queue in Europe? It's like this;

Come to this side! Hey,you? Are you deaf? I told you stand by!

I am a very good monitor. And I never lie!

 

[Unification]

Interpretation of the Koran is in his own words
Ordinances and laws
You can not interpret the Koran on the breeze

Respectfully,
I "can" and I "did."

The Koran is about the brain, mind, and body of a human being.

"His" own words/thoughts/laws would be different than mankinds own words/thoughts/laws and would be written within.

 

[MARCELLO]

Let's stop generalization. Maybe,it helps,huh?

 

[Unification]

Let's stop generalization. Maybe,it helps,huh?

That would be a great idea.

 

[Iti oj]

Let's stop generalization. Maybe,it helps,huh?

on both sides

 

[FearGod]

I want to see Muslims realise that minority religions pay protection money simply because they're non-Muslim is immoral. I want you to realise that extorting money out of minorities who already have limited rights under Islamic rule simply because you can is gangsterism. You need to realise that forcing non-Muslims to pay a tax Muslims don't have to is forcing your religious beliefs on them and face up to the fact that you support gangsterism and extortion. Both of which are immoral.

If every nation in Europe levied a tax on Muslims simply because they're Muslims it would be an immoral tax because it is discriminatory.

The last sentence indeed makes me laugh, In France they were forbidden from wearing their custom dress, French schools forced
the Muslims students to wear colored discs because they don't eat pork.

It's hilarious indeed to say that Muslims are treated equally compared to the others in Europe, better to be satanic than a Muslim in Europe.
Are you the Angels and the Muslims are the evils ?

http://www.inquisitr.com/1753103/eu...g-pig-heads-in-wake-of-french-terror-attacks/

I'm not made to pay a tax because of my religious affiliation and nobody in the UK is. Common taxes like income tax and corporation tax are necessary to fund governance. The only criterion for not paying tax in the UK is being affluent over a certain level. Then you can get away with almost anything - which is a barbaric state of affairs. The jizyah is a tax applied to non-Muslims on top of all other tax burdens already placed on them. Indeed, the revenue the jizyah brings to a government will only decrease as either:

1. Non-Muslims are impoverished by the extra financial burden placed upon them
2. Non-Muslims convert to Islam to avoid having to pay the jizyah.

so it's actually a pretty stupid device if your concerns are financial. Once non-Muslims stop becoming even a sizeable minority the amount the jizyah brings in will have decreased to the extent that the loss will be made up for by other sources of revenue - so why bother levying it? Because it's a method of punishing non-Muslims for the crime of being non-Muslim.

You say it is wrong to forcibly convert someone to your religion; yet you support financially coercing them to that effect as the jizyah is designed to humiliate and punish for a non-crime. The cognitive dissonance is strong with you.

Can i come to your country if i'm not Scottish ? is it moral to reject people from visiting your land just because they weren't born there?
Why foreigners have to pay fees to visit your country ? why not treated equally similar to other humans ?
Why do racism exists in your community ? why some foreigner are allowed to enter while the other aren't allowed ?
Why Muslims are mistreated in Europe ?

 

[FearGod]

Your opinion is purely objective of course.

It's nothing about the content, it's about history. Either it is real or it isn't.

The fact remains that the Arabs didn't rule over Egypt until long after Muhammed died, and this monastery is in Egypt.

What makes you sure that Muhammed was died when Arabs entered Egypt ? what is your evidence ? Do you have a document that proves your saying ?

 

[MARCELLO]

on both sides

I see...you don't seem to care about my experiences. They (muslims)are the ones cheated. My white skin makes my job here . Can you imagine that I was not even asked to produce a diploma for my job,my job in finance in a construction co for a few hundreds of million? It was just because I am white and have a christian name. Is this fine for you?Honestly? It happens in every part of noneuro area.

 

[Iti oj]

I see...you don't seem to care about my experiences. They (muslims)are the ones cheated. My white skin makes my job here . Can you imagine that I was not even asked to produce a diploma for my job,my job in finance in a construction co for a few hundreds of million? It was just because I am white and have a christian name. Is this fine for you?Honestly? It happens in every part of noneuro area.

your experiences don't dictate truth. nor do they all even seem to relate to the op.

what about people who have had contradictory experience.

 

[Rival]

The last sentence indeed makes me laugh, In France they were forbidden from wearing their custom dress, French schools forced
the Muslims students to wear colored discs because they don't eat pork.

It's hilarious indeed to say that Muslims are treated equally compared to the others in Europe, better to be satanic than a Muslim in Europe.
Are you the Angels and the Muslims are the evils ?

http://www.inquisitr.com/1753103/europes-muslims-suffer-attacks-alienation-and-flying-pig-heads-in-wake-of-french-terror-attacks/

This is because France has a very strict secular policy which is not just directed at Muslims, but at all practitioners of all faiths. School is a uniform environment where everyone is expected to look and dress the same regardless of religion, race, etc. This applies to Christians too, as well as Jews, Sikhs, Jains, Satanists, Jedis, Lolitas and whoever else. School is not the place for religion in France; it is a secular establishment with secular norms. This isn't just against Muslims.

Second, while I disagree about the disc wearing too, it's still hardly the same thing as being taxed for being Islamic and also the Jewish students would have had to wear them too. So again this is not just about Islam.

Also, when in Rome. If you come to Europe, we Europeans expect you to dress and act like Europeans, to blend in and assimilate, or else don't come here.

Lastly, this is in response to Muslims going and shooting cartoonists for no reason. So they drew Muhammad. Nobody cares. Charlie Hebdo satirises everything, not just Islam. Did any Christians go shoot up shop? No. Jews? No. It's only Muslims who become violent over a stinking cartoon. Then you wonder why Europeans distrust you.

Can i come to your country if i'm not Scottish ? is it moral to reject people from visiting your land just because they weren't born there?
Why foreigners have to pay fees to visit your country ? why not treated equally similar to other humans ?
Why do racism exists in your community ? why some foreigner are allowed to enter while the other aren't allowed ?
Why Muslims are mistreated in Europe ?

This can be said for any country, not just Scotland. So I'm not responding to this because it's obvious.

 

[Iti oj]

, better to be satanic than a Muslim in Europe.
?

whats wrong with being a satanist
you use terms like atheist or satanist in derogatory ways, the hypocrisy of this is astounding .

 

[Augustus]

What makes you sure that Muhammed was died when Arabs entered Egypt ? what is your evidence ? Do you have a document that proves your saying ?

Was Muhammed alive in 639? That's when they entered Egypt.

 

[FearGod]

whats wrong with being a satanist
you use terms like atheist or satanist in derogatory ways, the hypocrisy of this is astounding .

But it's OK to speak about Muslims for the bad and violent things, sorry for oppressing the Satanist, so lets just keep on
oppressing the Muslims alone.

 

[FearGod]

Was Muhammed alive in 639? That's when they entered Egypt.

How can i know ? where's the death certificate ?

 

[Rival]

But it's OK to speak about Muslims for the bad and violent things, sorry for oppressing the Satanist, so lets just keep on
oppressing the Muslims alone.

Who is oppressing Muslims? There are over 1000 Masajid in the UK and Channel 4 blasted the call the prayer during Ramadan once. Some oppression.

 

[Iti oj]

But it's OK to speak about Muslims for the bad and violent things, sorry for oppressing the Satanist, so lets just keep on
oppressing the Muslims alone.

two wrongs don't make a right, and that wasn't my point.

 

[mystic64]

Beats me. The things one sometimes reads about Islam are pretty weird.

It seems a little far fetched doesn't it YmirGF . But at the sametime the supreme leader of Iran does not consider the Suna folks true Moslem. They are like the Mormans to the rest of traditional Christianity because they have two religious scriptures. The true followers of Islam follow only one holy scripture. Now if you add that understanding to the OP that Rival is presenting because "peace" is ment to be between the followers of Islam not between Islam and those that worship false gods or those that have any other holy scripture, then things may get interesting. The Sunni consider the Shia Moslem but the Shia do not consider the Sunni Moslem. The supreme leader of Iran (Shia) considers the most holy site in Islam now under the control of not true Moslems. Now all of the major world leaders in todays world know this and all of the followers of Islam in the middle east know this, but nobody has been worried about it because Iran has never been allowed to park an army any where near Mecca. But now because of the political climate in Iraq and Syria and because of Rival's OP being correct Iran now has permission to begin parking an army in two locations next to Mecca. On top of that Iran now has the backing of the military might of Russia.

The game is afoot and there is nothing that the US and the other major free world countries can do about it.

Rival's OP is right on , it is just that her OP is not politically correct in today's world.

 

[Revoltingest]

It seems a little far fetched doesn't it YmirGF . But at the sametime the supreme leader of Iran does not consider the Suna folks true Moslem. They are like the Mormans to the rest of traditional Christianity because they have two religious scriptures. The true followers of Islam follow only one holy scripture. Now if you add that understanding to the OP that Rival is presenting because "peace" is ment to be between the followers of Islam not between Islam and those that worship false gods or those that have any other holy scripture, then things may get interesting. The Suni consider the ****e Moslem but the ****e do not consider the Suni Moslem. The supreme leader of Iran (****e) considers the most holy site in Islam now under the control of not true Moslems. Now all of the major world leaders in todays world know this and all of the followers of Islam in the middle east know this, but nobody has been worried about it because Iran has never been allowed to park an army any where near Mecca. But now because of the political climate in Iraq and Syria and because of Rival's OP being correct Iran now has permission to begin parking an army in two locations next to Mecca. On top of that Iran now has the backing of the military might of Russia.

The game is afoot and there is nothing that the US and the other major free world countries can do about it.

Rival's OP is right on , it is just that her OP is not politically correct in today's world.

Tip:
Using the "Shiite" spelling will survive the censorship function.

 

[Unification]

What makes you sure that Muhammed was died when Arabs entered Egypt ? what is your evidence ? Do you have a document that proves your saying ?

When it comes to the parable text, Egypt is not a literal country but a mental conscious state of lower natured slavery. A mind(woman) under control, in subjection, and enslaved to lower constitutions and laws of mankind. The mind needs liberated from such a state, in subjection to higher inner natured ways and peace.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Respectfully,
I "can" and I "did."

The Koran is about the brain, mind, and body of a human being.

"His" own words/thoughts/laws would be different than mankinds own words/thoughts/laws and would be written within.

I do not believe in the Koran and the reason is simple
I do not believe in the word of God also provided us the Koran
I believe that God and his words are in our minds
We have the freedom to accept or reject them
This is radically different from Islam
Because Islam believes that the Koran is the word of God
And it rejects the religious and intellectual freedom