Let's Stop Pretending That Islam is a Religion of Peace

[David1967]

We force you to eat cold McDonald's, silly.

That's even worse than hot Mcdonalds

 

[FearGod]

I'm constantly being told that Islam stands for peace when it clearly doesn't according to its own scriptures. I'm expounding my position here for others to debate.

According to the anti Islam websites you mean.

 

[Rival]

I don't agree with you, people should be free where ever they go ?

This isn't against freedom, it's called a secular government. Also, I don't personally support total freedom, and don't think it can exist, but that's a different issue.

And wearing colored discs isn't a religious discrimination ?

I already said I disagreed with it. Read my post again.

I don't agree with you and/or the phrase , you should be yourself where ever you go.

Well then that's just your opinion. When non Euros come to Europe I expect them to Europeanise.

Why to punish Muslims for a crime said to be planned by some muslims, that's a stupid behavior.

It was done by Muslims, but no I don't think they should have reacted by putting pig heads in masajid and so on. I do think that Muslims ought to get over Muhammad cartoons though and grow up.

From the news

Which piece of news?

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

How is this thread oppressing Muslims?

Report me if you seriously think that!

This is about ISLAM, not Muslims.

Yes, this is the subject for Islamic Thought
It is a new topic
The Muslim should submit argument
We do not accuse us of the attack on Islam
When a Muslim from the answer to Aeetmkn
Accuse the attack on Islam
I think they do manage to mental dialogue

 

[Sundance]

I'm constantly being told that Islam stands for peace when it clearly doesn't according to its own scriptures. I'm expounding my position here for others to debate.

I'm going to be one of those who disagrees with you, but give me your top 5 reasons as to why you feel this way. Let's talk this out, you and I.

 

[Rival]

According to the anti Islam websites you mean.

I am not using anti-Islam websites. I am using your own sources.

/confused/

 

[David1967]

If Zoroastrians can evolve their views, why can't the Muslims?

I think most religions have evolved over the years, for example Catholics today don't commit the atrocities they did in the inquisition and the Jews aren't stoning women accused of adultery as they were commanded in Old Testament.

 

[Rival]

I'm going to be one of those who disagrees with you, but give me your top 5 reasons as to why you feel this way. Let's talk this out, you and I.

Did you read the OP?

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

According to the anti Islam websites you mean.

I do not, I follow them any site
But I own a personal experience
And also studied Islamic law
And read great books
About Islam
One of these books written before the year 1900 and named the right balance and I had a copy of it in the Arabic language
The book was written by Belgian author originally named TassadlPrefer engaged in a dialogue of the Quran and Hadith
Gave us a peaceful verses

 

[paarsurrey]

sahih mean "correct"
i cant take my sources from Anti-Islam sites .
so if let's give us the Sahih Hadith verse then check it out if it's true , then seek for it's refence tafsir (why,when this hadith tells) .

Sahih means correct for the chain of the narrators only, that they were good people etc. The next stage is drayat, which means if the subject matter is to be verified from Quran for its being correct or not.
Regards

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I think most religions have evolved over the years, for example Catholics today don't commit the atrocities they did in the inquisition and the Jews aren't stoning women accused of adultery as they were commanded in Old Testament.

There is no text written in the Bible supports the actions of any mis-Bach
For this reason, the Europeans managed to get rid of human error
While Muslims commit atrocities because it is written in the Koran
And it can not get rid of the teachings of the Quran and this is the difference

 

[paarsurrey]

Most times people quote a hadith to discuss what they dislike about Islam it is Sahih Muslim or Sahih Bukhari...what does Sahih mean?

Please see my post #311 in this connection.
Regards

 

[Sundance]

Did you read the OP?

Indeed, I did. However, you seem to have many different reasons. You must must be ever-aware of one thing regarding religion: it's capable of being misinterpreted. Perhaps, you are going off of crooked misinterpretations and de-contextualizations, rather than what the Qu'ran actually says, hm?

 

[Rival]

Indeed, I did. However, you seem to have many different reasons. You must must be ever-aware of one thing regarding religion: it's capable of being misinterpreted. Perhaps, you are going off of crooked misinterpretations and de-contextualizations, rather than what the Qu'ran actually says, hm?

No, I'm not. Whenever there is a violent verse quoted someone always screams "MISINTERPRETATION" but all the peaceful verses are totally clear.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

FearGod said: ↑


I don't agree with you, people should be free where ever they go ?

Islam does not believe in religious freedom
Do you want to tell us that Islam believes in intellectual freedom
Are you able to interpret the verse that require amputation of the hand and foot to the people who are fighting Messenger

 

[Sundance]

No, I'm not. Whenever there is a violent verse quoted someone always screams "MISINTERPRETATION" but all the peaceful verses are totally clear.

Ah, I see where exactly you're coming from. Though the Qu'ran does talk about the use of violence, that's only for the sake of self-defense.

 

[Rival]

Ah, I see where exactly you're coming from. Though the Qu'ran does talk about the use of violence, that's only for the sake of self-defense.

No it isn't. "Fight them until they pay the jizyah" is not defensive.

 

[David1967]

People are always at risk of committing heinous violence.
Eternal vigilance is required.

Yes you are correct. In the immortal words of the band The talking Heads, "its the same as it ever was"

 

[Rival]

Ah, I see where exactly you're coming from. Though the Qu'ran does talk about the use of violence, that's only for the sake of self-defense.

Also wife-beating is not in self-defence. Wife-beating is a disgusting shameful act and should never be allowed in any civilised society.

 

[FearGod]

I am not using anti-Islam websites. I am using your own sources.

/confused/

you mentioned the name Sheikh Najih Ibrahim ibn Abdullah in your OP, may i ask you who is that person ?
I found him only mentioned in the anti Islam websites.