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Let's Stop Pretending That Islam is a Religion of Peace

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Rival

Diex Aie
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From which anti Islam websites you got this nonsense ?

This is not from an anti-Islam site; it is from the Sirah literature, the first biography of Muhammad. It is from Islam's own sources.

*Cools down*

Have you ever read your own sources? Because this is exactly what they say. I'm sick of this nonsense.
 

MARCELLO

Transitioning from male to female
What are you talking about? I like in the UK and I'm against Islam and I want religious freedom for minorities in Islamic lands. Please read.
No you don't. I have lived in islamic lands such pakistan and saudi arabia; I was treated I was like a king,though I have not deserved.

I am against islam too, for ever and ever. But this attitude makes everything messier. I have experience in islamic countries for lots of years ,they are lovely .
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
I'm asking other Muslims to join in. Chill out, they're on your side.
Those Religions which thrived in the Middle East before Islam which are now oppressed:

- Christianity
- Zoroastrianism
- Judaism
- Various forms of Paganism

Last, Bahai is struggling to make a niche for itself because Islamic "justice" keeps sentencing them to death and oppressing them. They shut down their schools and other such places.


How many of these groups live in peace in Muslim lands?

How many Churches, Synagogues and other temples exist in, say, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan? Either not many or none, and none are allowed to be built anew and the current ones are not allowed to be repaired.

The message of the prophet was and still the message of peace and as recorded by the history.

A message was sent from the prophet to ST. Catherine when the Muslims ruled the land
The Promise to St. Catherine:

“This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.
Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.
No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims’ houses.
Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God’s covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.
No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants.
No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).”

http://www.faithstreet.com/onfaith/2009/12/30/prophet-muhammads-promise-to-christians/125

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Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
No you don't. I have lived in islamic lands such pakistan and saudi arabia; I was treated I was like a king,though I have not deserved.

I am against islam too, for ever and ever. But this attitude makes everything messier. I have experience in islamic countries for lots of years ,they are lovely .

I don't what? Fine, if you like it. I just thought being gay you might almost be put to death or something. Clearly I was wrong. Isn't Islam lovely :)
 

MARCELLO

Transitioning from male to female
I don't what? Fine, if you like it. I just thought being gay you might almost be put to death or something. Clearly I was wrong. Isn't Islam lovely :)

Many of them know that I am gay,that's for sure but that is really nothing for them.Believe me,even in Afghanistan you won't be killed since you are gay.

Suppose that I am a college student in USA,maybe more chance to be shot for just being a student.I am wrong dear?
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Many of them know that I am gay,that's for sure but that is really nothing for them.Believe me,even in Afghanistan you won't be killed since you are gay.

Suppose that I am a college student in USA,maybe more chance to be shot for just being a student.I am wrong dear?

I don't know because I don't live in the USA. But probably not.

So I suppose those Iranians who were hung for being gay were just one offs?
 

MARCELLO

Transitioning from male to female
I don't know because I don't live in the USA. But probably not.

So I suppose those Iranians who were hung for being gay were just one offs?
Do you really believe that they were hung coz they were gay? Honestly asking....

Orientalism has much more tradition in homosexuality rather than west. You perfectly know this.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Do you really believe that they were hung coz they were gay? Honestly asking....

Orientalism has much more tradition in homosexuality rather than west. You perfectly know this.

Even if they weren't hung for being gay (which I believe they were), does Islam generally take a nice approach towards gay folks? Does it take a nice approach to Jews? Christians? Pagans? Wives? Little girls?


This isn't about your experience with indie Muslims, it's about Islam.

Is it peaceful?
 

MARCELLO

Transitioning from male to female
Even if they weren't hung for being gay (which I believe they were), does Islam generally take a nice approach towards gay folks? Does it take a nice approach to Jews? Christians? Pagans? Wives? Little girls?

This isn't about your experience with indie Muslims, it's about Islam.

Is it peaceful?
No,it is not peaceful,of course.

What you are trying to mean is not peaceful either,it does not help,does it ever?
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
No,it is not peaceful,of course.

What you are trying to mean is not peaceful either,it does not help,does it ever?

I'm trying to prove to the people who do think Islam is peaceful that it is not.

That's the object of the debate, for its own sake.
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
From which anti Islam websites you got this nonsense ?
عرض الترجمة لـ هذا من القران أيضا من كتب المسلمين هل تعتقد ان ماريا القبطية هي من امهات المسلمين ؟؟ هذه من افعال محمد هو كان يمارس الجنس مع ماريا القبطية وكان له منها ولد وقد مات هذا الولد هل هذا الكلام تاليف وخيال انها حياة محمد الجنسية لماذا تخجلون من هذا الكلام وتقولون انه معاداة للاسلام انه الحقيقة يا صديقي اقبلها او ارفضها ولكن لاتلزمني على قبول هذه الافعال الشاذة من ر
الترجمة بدلاً من ذلك من هذا من القران وايضا من كتب المسلمين هل تعتقد ان ماريا القبطية هي من امهات المسلمين ؟؟ هذه من افعال محمد هو كان يمارس الجنس مع ماريا القبطية وكان له منها ولد وقد مات هذا الولد هل هذا الكلام تاليف وخيال انها حياة محمد الجنسية لماذا تخجلون من هذا الكلام وتقولون انه معاداة للاسلام انه الحقيقة يا صديقي اقبلها او ارفضها ولكن لاتلزمني على قبول هذه الافعال الشاذة من رج
This also wrote the Koran, Muslims
Do you think that Maria is one of the mothers of Coptic Muslims ??
These actions of Muhammad
He was having sex with Maria Coptic
And he had them born this boy has died
Is this a speech written and imagination
It's the life of Muhammad citizenship
Why ashamed of this talk and say that he is anti-Islam
He really my friend
They reject or accept as
But Do I need an acceptance of these acts of anomalous R.
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
I'm trying to prove to the people who do think Islam is peaceful that it is not.

That's the object of the debate, for its own sake.
You speak the truth
Islam does not know Islam
Because it is the ideology of terror
Proof of terrorist Islam Islam is the following verse write them in the Arabic language
Translated with Google
And prepared them what you can of power by tanks, the enemy of Allah and your enemy
واعدوا لهم ما استطعتم من قوة ترهبون به عدو الله وعدوكم
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
Well said,I quit off from this debate then.

Ideas should be for people not against them.
arguing that a religion is bad is 'for people ' not against them. at least it is if you believe that. again islam=/=muslim
 
The message of the prophet was and still the message of peace and as recorded by the history.

A message was sent from the prophet to ST. Catherine when the Muslims ruled the land
The Promise to St. Catherine:

“This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them.
Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them.
No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims’ houses.
Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God’s covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate.
No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants.
No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world).”

This isn't a real document though, likely a forgery. It might possibly have been based on a covenant made with ibn al-As, as he was known to be in contact with Christians in Egypt which is where the Muhammed/Mukawkis letter myth originated. Muhammed as the author makes no sense though.

The Muslims didn't attempt to conquer that land until several years after Muhammed died, it was either Persian or Roman territory during Muhammed's lifetime.
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
The message of the prophet was and still the message of peace and as recorded by the history.

A message was sent from the prophet to ST. Catherine when the Muslims ruled the land
The Promise to St. Catherine:
Send a message to Mohammed, King of Persia
And the Quranic verse
Until they pay tribute out of hand and they are submissive
Adzeh that terrorism is a material
You gave us a photo into churches in the Middle East
And you do not know anything
1. Mohammed told his followers of the two religions do not meet in the Arabian Peninsula
And then he was expelled Arabs Najran Christians from Arab neighbors
عرض الترجمة لـ 2-بعد الغزو الاسلامي الى سوريا والعراق ومصر بعد موت محمد تم تقديم وثيقة عمر بن الخطاب وهي من اسواء المواثيق الاتي كانت ظالمة للمسيحيين في تلك الدول علما ان العرب ليسوا من سكان سوريا ومصر والعراق الاصليين لان تلك المناطق الجغرافية سوريا كان فيها الاراميون والعراق كان اشوري وكلداني ومصر كانوا الاقباط وايضا لبنان كانوا من الاراميين
الترجمة بدلاً من ذلك من 2-بعد الغزو الاسلامي الى سوريا والعراق ومصر وبعد موت محمد تم تقديم وثيقة عمر بن الخطاب وهي من اسواء المواثيق الاتي كانت ظالمة للمسيحيين في تلك الدول علما ان العرب ليسوا من سكان سوريا ومصر والعراق الاصليين لان تلك المناطق الجغرافية سوريا كان فيها الاراميون والعراق كان اشوري وكلداني ومصر كانوا الاقباط وايضا لبنان كانوا من الاراميين
2-after the Islamic invasion to Syria, Iraq and Egypt after Muhammad's death
It has been to submit a document Omar bin Khattab
It follows from the fare worse charters were unfair to Christians in those countries
Note that the Arabs are not residents of Syria, Egypt and Iraq natives
Because those geographical areas
Syria where the Syrians
Iraq and the Assyrian and Chaldean
And Egypt were Copts
And also Lebanon were Syrians

Muslims are the policy has been a gradual elimination of those civilizations
Doctors have been Christians in the era of Harun al-Rashid and Scholars
But in subsequent periods, the relationship between Christians and Muslims were governed by the provisions of disclosure
It is a private, one of the provisions of the Koran
And where every man is not a Muslim is not having the rights enjoyed by the MuslimDuring the rule of the Ottomans, the Ottoman Turks were raping and P So most of the Churches of the Middle East existed before Islam
It has not build any new church
And I hope that any researcher looking at the credibility of my words
Because Omar Ibn Khattab prevent the building of a new church
But after that the West offers the Ottomans and the need for services to Westerners were allowed in the renewal of some of those churches
After World War I and the collapse of the Ottoman Empirestealing children, he modern state emerged after the Sykes-Picot Agreement
There was a kind of openness and tolerance, because those countries were orbiting the English and French
And some of them was carrying a national thought
Such as Iraq when it was ruled by the Baath party, a secular ideology allows religious diversity
But after the collapse and the fall of Saddam Hussein and Arab national ideaChristians and are trained and trained militarily and they make up their special military band called band Alanjharihhe modern state emerged after the Sykes-Picot Agreement
There was a kind of openness and tolerance, because those countries were orbiting the English and French
And some of them was carrying a national thought
Such as Iraq when it was ruled by the Baath party, a secular ideology allows religious diversity
But after the collapse and the fall of Saddam Hussein and Arab national idea
Islamic ideas have emerged and returned the Islamic spirit in Iraq first
It was the liquidation of Eastern Christians and force them to leave their countries
I personally have migrated because of the Islamic threat
The summit of the Islamic tragedy is what happened in the Iraqi city of Mosul and the displacement of thousands of Christians
Where Christians were expelled all of them
And also the destruction of some of the churches of MosulSome of these old historic churches more than a thousand and four hundred years
Such as Isaiah Mar Church in Almiadan area
And others, including the Mar Thoma4. In Turkey, etc.
Churches were seized Christians
Ayasofya, including the famous church in Turkey
And it turned into a mosque
Umayyad Mosque in Syria is in the Church of origin and the Temple of Laramie Old seized him and rape
In Iraq rape of thousands of small churches
Al-Nouri and the largest mosque in Mosul
Based lover palace in Samarra, Iraq
And also the Nabi Yunis mosque in Mosul5-provided you this information so you know you do not know something
Or you are trying to mislead
This is the reality of the Islamic
Muslims today aspire to eliminate the Vatican and the destruction of the crosses
6-forgotten social reality and the attitude of the Muslims
Offer you a simple urgingIn the year 1998
Was one of my relatives had bought a new house and predominantly Muslim
In Cross Gala
He commented Saliba shining surface in his homeIn the morning has sent Abbaat Muslims threw stones and that CrossIt is known that the boy is a man who is a minor legalThat argument was terrorism, my relatives and those leaving the camp afterA lot of these facts
Socially the relationship between Christian and Muslim unequal relationship
And governed by the teachings of the Koran implied image
Muslim considers himself a master
This is a big social problem that I could not have explained well in EnglishMy greetings to you
And I hope that progress truth as it is
The truth as it is different from the fact that we want
I offer the naked truth and leave the judgment to others
Although Alalama I do not hate any human being, but I'm talking about the fact that only abstract intellectual Islam
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
Send a message to Mohammed, King of Persia
And the Quranic verse
Until they pay tribute out of hand and they are submissive
Adzeh that terrorism is a material
You gave us a photo into churches in the Middle East
And you do not know anything
1. Mohammed told his followers of the two religions do not meet in the Arabian Peninsula
And then he was expelled Arabs Najran Christians from Arab neighbors
عرض الترجمة لـ 2-بعد الغزو الاسلامي الى سوريا والعراق ومصر بعد موت محمد تم تقديم وثيقة عمر بن الخطاب وهي من اسواء المواثيق الاتي كانت ظالمة للمسيحيين في تلك الدول علما ان العرب ليسوا من سكان سوريا ومصر والعراق الاصليين لان تلك المناطق الجغرافية سوريا كان فيها الاراميون والعراق كان اشوري وكلداني ومصر كانوا الاقباط وايضا لبنان كانوا من الاراميين
الترجمة بدلاً من ذلك من 2-بعد الغزو الاسلامي الى سوريا والعراق ومصر وبعد موت محمد تم تقديم وثيقة عمر بن الخطاب وهي من اسواء المواثيق الاتي كانت ظالمة للمسيحيين في تلك الدول علما ان العرب ليسوا من سكان سوريا ومصر والعراق الاصليين لان تلك المناطق الجغرافية سوريا كان فيها الاراميون والعراق كان اشوري وكلداني ومصر كانوا الاقباط وايضا لبنان كانوا من الاراميين
2-after the Islamic invasion to Syria, Iraq and Egypt after Muhammad's death
It has been to submit a document Omar bin Khattab
It follows from the fare worse charters were unfair to Christians in those countries
Note that the Arabs are not residents of Syria, Egypt and Iraq natives
Because those geographical areas
Syria where the Syrians
Iraq and the Assyrian and Chaldean
And Egypt were Copts
And also Lebanon were Syrians

Muslims are the policy has been a gradual elimination of those civilizations
Doctors have been Christians in the era of Harun al-Rashid and Scholars
But in subsequent periods, the relationship between Christians and Muslims were governed by the provisions of disclosure
It is a private, one of the provisions of the Koran
And where every man is not a Muslim is not having the rights enjoyed by the MuslimDuring the rule of the Ottomans, the Ottoman Turks were raping and P So most of the Churches of the Middle East existed before Islam
It has not build any new church
And I hope that any researcher looking at the credibility of my words
Because Omar Ibn Khattab prevent the building of a new church
But after that the West offers the Ottomans and the need for services to Westerners were allowed in the renewal of some of those churches
After World War I and the collapse of the Ottoman Empirestealing children, he modern state emerged after the Sykes-Picot Agreement
There was a kind of openness and tolerance, because those countries were orbiting the English and French
And some of them was carrying a national thought
Such as Iraq when it was ruled by the Baath party, a secular ideology allows religious diversity
But after the collapse and the fall of Saddam Hussein and Arab national ideaChristians and are trained and trained militarily and they make up their special military band called band Alanjharihhe modern state emerged after the Sykes-Picot Agreement
There was a kind of openness and tolerance, because those countries were orbiting the English and French
And some of them was carrying a national thought
Such as Iraq when it was ruled by the Baath party, a secular ideology allows religious diversity
But after the collapse and the fall of Saddam Hussein and Arab national idea
Islamic ideas have emerged and returned the Islamic spirit in Iraq first
It was the liquidation of Eastern Christians and force them to leave their countries
I personally have migrated because of the Islamic threat
The summit of the Islamic tragedy is what happened in the Iraqi city of Mosul and the displacement of thousands of Christians
Where Christians were expelled all of them
And also the destruction of some of the churches of MosulSome of these old historic churches more than a thousand and four hundred years
Such as Isaiah Mar Church in Almiadan area
And others, including the Mar Thoma4. In Turkey, etc.
Churches were seized Christians
Ayasofya, including the famous church in Turkey
And it turned into a mosque
Umayyad Mosque in Syria is in the Church of origin and the Temple of Laramie Old seized him and rape
In Iraq rape of thousands of small churches
Al-Nouri and the largest mosque in Mosul
Based lover palace in Samarra, Iraq
And also the Nabi Yunis mosque in Mosul5-provided you this information so you know you do not know something
Or you are trying to mislead
This is the reality of the Islamic
Muslims today aspire to eliminate the Vatican and the destruction of the crosses
6-forgotten social reality and the attitude of the Muslims
Offer you a simple urgingIn the year 1998
Was one of my relatives had bought a new house and predominantly Muslim
In Cross Gala
He commented Saliba shining surface in his homeIn the morning has sent Abbaat Muslims threw stones and that CrossIt is known that the boy is a man who is a minor legalThat argument was terrorism, my relatives and those leaving the camp afterA lot of these facts
Socially the relationship between Christian and Muslim unequal relationship
And governed by the teachings of the Koran implied image
Muslim considers himself a master
This is a big social problem that I could not have explained well in EnglishMy greetings to you
And I hope that progress truth as it is
The truth as it is different from the fact that we want
I offer the naked truth and leave the judgment to others
Although Alalama I do not hate any human being, but I'm talking about the fact that only abstract intellectual Islam
tldr....needs formatting
 

The Emperor of Mankind

Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Do you want the disbelievers to fight with the Muslims for the sake of Islam which they don't follow, by this way you're forcing them
into Islam and to fight with them under the name of Islam, do you think it'll be moral to force them into the Muslims army.

I want to see Muslims realise that stripping minority religions of their rights and using that as a justification to force them to pay protection money simply because they're non-Muslim is immoral. I want you to realise that extorting money out of minorities who already have limited rights under Islamic rule simply because you can is gangsterism. You need to realise that forcing non-Muslims to pay a tax Muslims don't have to is forcing your religious beliefs on them and face up to the fact that you support gangsterism and extortion. Both of which are immoral.

If every nation in Europe levied a tax on Muslims simply because they're Muslims it would be an immoral tax because it is discriminatory. If non-compliance with this Muslim tax resulted in either the authorities trashing mosques & non-payees' homes & businesses, as well as assaulting their family & friends - or not lifting a finger to stop other non-Muslims from doing the same - then I think you'd object strongly.


Yes everyone have to pay the tax if he can do otherwise punished.
Don't you pay the tax in your country or you're free to say "no, i don't want to pay" ?

I'm not made to pay a tax because of my religious affiliation and nobody in the UK is. Common taxes like income tax and corporation tax are necessary to fund governance. The only criterion for not paying tax in the UK is being affluent over a certain level. Then you can get away with almost anything - which is a barbaric state of affairs. The jizyah is a tax applied to non-Muslims on top of all other tax burdens already placed on them. Indeed, the revenue the jizyah brings to a government will only decrease as either:

  1. Non-Muslims are impoverished by the extra financial burden placed upon them
  2. Non-Muslims convert to Islam to avoid having to pay the jizyah.
so it's actually a pretty stupid device if your concerns are financial. Once non-Muslims stop becoming even a sizeable minority the amount the jizyah brings in will have decreased to the extent that the loss will be made up for by other sources of revenue - so why bother levying it? Because it's a method of punishing non-Muslims for the crime of being non-Muslim.

You say it is wrong to forcibly convert someone to your religion; yet you support financially coercing them to that effect as the jizyah is designed to humiliate and punish for a non-crime. The cognitive dissonance is strong with you.
 
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