Let's Stop Pretending That Islam is a Religion of Peace

[Princeps Eugenius]

I read the Gathas online. I can't find it in shops and I can't buy online.

Are you a bit one over the eight, my friend?

To be honest i dont even know what you mean. ive read excerpts from the zoroastrian scripture and it seemed polytheistic to me. It is focused around nature (agriculture) and the beauty of it. However Zoroastrianism is a religion of itself and has its own traditions. Whatever you find persuasive. Yeah i think even the New Testament and Judaism itself was greatly influenced by Zoroastrianism. Although i find it amazing how "Mithraism" has developed to a cult of its own in the Roman Empire.

 

[Rival]

To be honest i dont even know what you mean. ive read excerpts from the zoroastrian scripture and it seemed polytheistic to me. It is focused around nature (agriculture) and the beauty of it. However Zoroastrianism is a religion of itself and has its own traditions. Whatever you find persuasive. Yeah i think even the New Testament and Judaism itself was greatly influenced by Zoroastrianism. Although i find it amazing how "Mithraism" has developed to a cult of its own in the Roman Empire.

Yeah I think you are

 

[Princeps Eugenius]

Yeah I think you are

Okay... ive had some wine. But not too much though! Its weekend after all!

 

[FearGod]

And the message is: "there is no god beside Allah and Muhammad is his messanger" which means that polytheists are all wrong and should be displaced and that even christians are wrong because they dont accept muhammad!

The message is a peaceful one, many atheists believed the prophet and that caused worries to the head of the tribes,
they asked his uncle to convince him to stop and they offered him to be the king of the Arab tribes but just to leave this
message about Islam, but when the prophet refused they became enemies and started to use the force to stop him
from delivering the message.

 

[Princeps Eugenius]

The message is a peaceful one, many atheists believed the prophet and that caused worries to the head of the tribes,
they asked his uncle to convince him to stop and they offered him to be the king of the Arab tribes but just to leave this
message about Islam, but when the prophet refused they became enemies and started to use the force to stop him
from delivering the message.

That video is garbage. Muhammad accepted "Mary the Copt" as his slave servant, who he slept with (and even had a male child with), and had a Son named Ibrahim, as his slave, from Christians as tribute.Mary the Copt was a big issue even adressed by the Quran. (You should not sleep with slave girls (a request made by his other 9, or so, wives) with.)

 

[FearGod]

It's not from a hadith but from ibn Ishaq, I believe; he is referring to this:

Then [the Banu Qurayza tribe] surrendered, and the apostle [Muhammad] confined them in Medina in the quarter of d. al-Harith, a woman of B. al-Najjar. Then the apostle went out to the market of Medina (which is still its market today) and dug trenches in it. Then he sent for them and struck off their heads in those trenches as they were brought out to him in batches. Among them was the enemy of Allah Huyayy b. Akhtab and Ka`b b. Asad their chief. There were 600 or 700 in all, though some put the figure as high as 800 or 900. As they were being taken out in batches to the apostle they asked Ka`b what he thought would be done with them. He replied, 'Will you never understand? Don't you see that the summoner never stops and those who are taken away do not return? By Allah it is death!' This went on until the apostle made an end of them.

From which anti Islam websites you got this nonsense ?

 

[Princeps Eugenius]

From which anti Islam websites you got this nonsense ?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOxvbYc2N7whDEt7Zfhv6dA


Good Start. He has been banned many times. His earlier videos were much more critical.

 

[serp777]

Sorry but who was pretending in the first place? I know I wasn't

 

[FearGod]

That video is garbage. Muhammad accepted "Mary the Copt" as his slave servant, who he slept with (and even had a male child with), and had a Son named Ibrahim, as his slave, from Christians as tribute.Mary the Copt was a big issue even adressed by the Quran. (You should not sleep with slave girls (a request made by his other 9, or so, wives) with.)

So you call the story in the video as a garbage whereas the other story is right, don't you realize how biased you're.

 

[Princeps Eugenius]

So you call the story in the video as a garbage whereas the other story is right, don't you realize how biased you're.

So you call the story in the video as a garbage whereas the other story is right, don't you realize how biased you're.

No, because the Story of Mary the Copt has historical evidence behind her while the video you posted has nothing to do with reality. Ofcourse muhammad would gain more women and power if he were to proclaim his own message! Just think about it! You cant get more than you need to, when being a prophet! Muhammad had from 9 to 13 wives and all the power he dreamt about! He also had a special tax from all the muslims of about 10% of their income!

What do you need more?!

 

[FearGod]

No, because the Story of Mary the Copt has historical evidence behind her while the video you posted has nothing to do with reality. Ofcourse muhammad would gain more women and power if he were to proclaim his own message! Just think about it! You cant get more than you need to, when being a prophet! Muhammad had from 9 to 13 wives and all the power he dreamt about! He also had a special tax from all the muslims of about 10% of their income!

What do you need more?!

And because of that he failed, he was busy with women, Muslims reached the far east and the far west because of a man thinking about women, ya, it make sense for the morons.

 

[Princeps Eugenius]

And because of that he failed, he was busy with women, Muslims reached the far east and the far west because of a man thinking about women, ya, it make sense for the morons.

Mormons also think that their church makes sense even though their holy prophet(Joseph Smith) had like 40 women!

 

[Princeps Eugenius]

Yeah I think you are

Amazing how you have a sort of "6th sense" for it though.

 

[FearGod]

Mormons also think that their church makes sense even though their holy prophet(Joseph Smith) had like 40 women!

So prophet Muhammed should have 100 women instead of 9, his first wife was much older than him and they stayed together
till she died when he reached the age of 50 and he married at the age of 25, did you see how much he loves women.

 

[Augustus]

No, because the Story of Mary the Copt has historical evidence behind her

If it wasn't 6am here and time for my , I'd explain how that story likely relates to Amr ibn al-As rather than Muhammed.

Muqawkis is Cyrus and Cyrus was nowhere near Egypt when Islamic history required him to be for the Sirah (written 200 years later) to be correct.

Plenty of earlier evidence says this story comes from the communication between Cyrus and ibn al-As.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Those Religions which thrived in the Middle East before Islam which are now oppressed:

- Christianity
- Zoroastrianism
- Judaism
- Various forms of Paganism

Last, Bahai is struggling to make a niche for itself because Islamic "justice" keeps sentencing them to death and oppressing them. They shut down their schools and other such places.

How many of these groups live in peace in Muslim lands?

How many Churches, Synagogues and other temples exist in, say, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan? Either not many or none, and none are allowed to be built anew and the current ones are not allowed to be repaired.

Second, jizyah - a tax for Christians and Jews to pay just so they can live in Islamic lands which were once their own! How many Christian countries fine you just for being Muslim? I certainly can't name any.

According to Muhammad:

Narrated Said bin Jubair:
Ibn 'Abbas said ... "The Prophet on his death-bed, gave three orders saying, ‘Expel the pagans from the Arabian Peninsula, respect and give gifts to the foreign delegates as you have seen me dealing with them.’ I forgot the third (order)" (Ya'qub bin Muhammad said, "I asked Al-Mughira bin 'Abdur-Rahman about the Arabian Peninsula and he said, ‘It comprises Mecca, Medina, Al-Yamama and Yemen.’" Ya'qub added, "And Al-Arj, the beginning of Tihama.") (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 288)

Here is the Qur'anic ayah about jizyah:

Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgement of superiority and they are in a state of subjection [Quran 9:29]

We have to pay a tax (jizyah) and be in "subjection" or else the Muslims will KILL us.

Here are the words of one Sheikh Najih Ibrahim ibn Abdullah:

"...to spare the blood (of the Zimmis [Dhimmis]), to be a symbol of humiliation of the infidels and as an insult and punishment to them, and as the Shafi`ites indicate, the Jizya is offered in exchange for residing in an Islamic country." Thus Ibn Qayyim adds, "Since the entire religion belongs to God, it aims at humiliating ungodliness and its followers, and insulting them. Imposing the Jizya on the followers of ungodliness and oppressing them is required by God's religion. The Qur'anic text hints at this meaning when it says: `until they give the tribute by force with humiliation.' (Qur'an 9:29). What contradicts this is leaving the infidels to enjoy their might and practice their religion as they wish so that they would have power and authority."

In one SAHIH BUKHARI HADITH Muhammad boasts:

Allah's Apostle said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." Abu Huraira added: Allah's Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).

[4.52.220]

Muslims not to take Jews and Christians for friends:

O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people [Quran 5:51]

It also calls them 'unjust people'.

Wife-beating permitted by God himself:

Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. [Quran Verse 4:34]

This isn't even if they have proven themselves unfaithful, but only even if the husband 'fears' it.

Jews and Christians as the worst of creatures:

Verily, those who [despite all evidence] are bent on denying the truth - [be they] from among the followers of earlier revelation or from among those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God - will find themselves in the fire of hell, therein to abide: they are the worst of all creatures. Surah 98 ayah 6



Please stop parading this as a Religion of Peace, because it's not.

Yes, Islam is not a religion of peace
Many of evidence
Thank you for Thread

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

There is certainly the violent oppressive element.
But there is also the tolerant element.
Thus, Islam can result in very different kinds of Muslims.

Apple seed produces an apple
The seed of Islam produces terrorists over the ages?
From the beginning there is a history full of death
Even the descendants of Muhammad were killed and who killed them is Muslim
Billy exudes what it
These seeds of Islam 1400 years ago and to this day is full of history with blood

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

there is no Muslim country ask the non-Muslims to pay taw to live , that was before , it's like tax for protection them.

Jizya tax was forced
That the Ottomans ended after the First World War and the emergence of Independent States which did not take the Islamic sharia because it was founded by the British and others
But when the Islamic Caliphate is because the concept of due tribute also

 

[MARCELLO]

For the OP; lets pretend islam is noway a religion of peace and then lets expect marcellos,robertas,luccas,sunjaays,anjums,jimmies,rachels to be killed. Do you know how many of us are present in ''their land'' with full privileges? Though ,I always say I am an atheist to them,since I am white and have a christian name I am always in danger. You are not selfish,are you? Very very very very few of them want to harm me,most and most and most of them love me .

I am sure that's not what you want in your secure /warm/cool/home in USA,but don't you have mercy for us?

 

[Rival]

For the OP; lets pretend islam is noway a religion of peace and then lets expect marcellos,robertas,luccas,sunjaays,anjums,jimmies,rachels to be killed. Do you know how many of us are present in ''their land'' with full privileges? Though ,I always say I am an atheist to them,since I am white and have a christian name I am always in danger. You are not selfish,are you? Very very very very few of them want to harm me,most and most and most of them love me .

I am sure that's not what you want in your secure /warm/cool/home in USA,but don't you have mercy for us?

What are you talking about? I live in the UK and I'm against Islam and I want religious freedom for minorities in Islamic lands. Please read.