Leviticus and Homosexuality

[sojourner]

Those who do not abide in Christ are condemned already. I have nothing to do with anyone's condemnation.

And how are you so sure that homosexuals do not "abide in Christ?" I have a dear friend and two cousins who are homosexual and devout believers. I go to church with several who are the same.

It IS you who are condemning them through a summary judgment of their spiritual condition.

 

[serp777]

All of nature is under the curse of Adam. Every animal, and every species is in a fallen state.

Adam never existed. There was no first human, or first pair of humans.

There may have been a first neanderthal human hybrid though, since neanderthal DNA is incorporated in our genome.

 

[Sonofason]

The Bible has a mouth and talks?

Only to those who are blessed with the Spirit of Truth. Only the wise hear the utterances of God through the pages of the Bible.

 

[Sonofason]

No. Homosexuality isn't condemned in the NT. It's only clear to you, because you've not spent enough time in exegetical study of the texts.

"The Bible is ALL True," is it? I suppose you think that the sky is a rigid dome, covering a disc-shaped earth, upon which the heavenly bodies are fixed, and the whole dome rotates around the disc? I suppose you think that light comes from someplace other than the sun? Because the bible states both these things and is patently, scientifically WRONG on those points.

The Bible states no such thing. Please show the exact quotes, so I can show you your error.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Only to those who are blessed with the Spirit of Truth. Only the wise hear the utterances of God through the pages of the Bible.

Sola Scriptura is a Protestant invention. The Bible must be interpreted to be understood.

 

[Sonofason]

Sucks for you.

Of course Jesus is saving everyone.

Prove it with the text.

 

[sojourner]

Only to those who are blessed with the Spirit of Truth. Only the wise hear the utterances of God through the pages of the Bible.

And yet, God continues to confound the "wise" who still believe the earth was created in six days and that homosexuals are sinful.

 

[Sonofason]

Obviously, you haven't read it in enough depth.

Now you are resorting to dishonest tactics. Looks like I've won this debate.

 

[Sonofason]

I don't believe that -- and I never said that. However, what I DID say was that our experts in the human psyche (that is, psychiatric experts) know a lot more about the human psyche than the writer of Leviticus did.

And I'm saying prove it.

 

[sojourner]

The Bible states no such thing. Please show the exact quotes, so I can show you your error.

The word in Genesis translated as "firmament" is raqiya, a Hebrew word that literally translates as "hammered out dome." IF the sky is, indeed, a "hammered out dome," it is solid, rigid, and covers an earth that must be disc-shaped in order to be covered by it. Being solid, the heavenly bodies would necessarily have to be fixed upon this dome (otherwise, they wouldn't be seen).

Further, this understanding of the sky is congruent with the Sumerian and Babylonian myths out of which the creation myths were taken.






You're welcome.

 

[allright]

Well...most Christians consider homosexuality something natural and absolutely not a sin. So do I.
I think that love has no gender. We are all different, so there are people genetically predisposed to fall in love with people of the same gender. It's DNA, which determines our endocrine system, and so our sexuality.

I think that the Old testament unfortunately contains obsolete and intolerant affirmations, which would be condemned by Jesus, surely.

Christians, I just want to know your opinion: how do you consider the Leviticus verses against homosexuality?

Straight from God's mouth to Moses to his people.

Jesus said not one dot of the law would pass away till heaven and earth did

So your saying the God who says very form of heterosexual sex outside marriage is sin, says unnatural sex acts between males are just fine

If that isn't straight out of hell, what is

There's a reason Jesus said only a few people will be saved

 

[sojourner]

Prove it with the text.

Philippians 2: Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord...

There are, of course, many, many others, but I'm not wasting my time, because you'll just stick your head in the sand anyway.


Good luck in your very, very, very lonely heaven.

 

[sojourner]

Now you are resorting to dishonest tactics. Looks like I've won this debate.

Oh? Who's dishonest? The one claiming to be wise, yet believing something other than what science can prove, or the one calling him on the carpet?

"La-hoo ... zah-her!"

 

[sojourner]

And I'm saying prove it.

Read the DSM IV. Homosexuality ain't listed as aberrant human behavior.

 

[Sonofason]

Don't be melodramatic.

Because, even within the scope of Torah Law, there is much grey area, evidenced by the practice of the Jews who have always relied -- not simply upon the texts, but also upon the commentaries, corollaries, and other extra-biblical teachings on the texts in order to interpret the laws and their application.

No. they're not.

Within the bounds of committed relationships, they're not.

Neither does your admitted baseless condemnation of them serve the purposes of the rest of us.

The Jews like you were always looking for ways to justify their actions. The Bible is quite clear. Your personal elaborations are worthless. There are no reliable extra biblical teachings on the texts.

 

[Sonofason]

It's a pretty important shade to pay attention to.

Yes, when you are devoted to self justification, of course it's important to pay attention to shades of gray.

 

[Sonofason]

I'm so glad you can't give any reason for me to believe you know more about God and Heaven and such than I do. If you could I'd be worried.

Tom

Sounds good. We should leave it at that.

 

[Sonofason]

Your perspective of God is far, far different than that of ancient Mesopotamians.
It's you who are making too many assumptions.

Anyone who would condemn homosexuality without good reason, and yet condone slavery -- the buying, selling, and owning of human beings deserves no more of my time. Either you're lying in order to provoke a reaction, or else your views are warped beyond the bounds of healthy social interaction.

And BTW, "Day" is defined as sunset to sunrise. On earth, that has always been a 24 hour period.

The big bang produced more than light.

There are several definitions of the word day.
In the most general sense, a day is a time of light, and that goes for all places in time. It is universal.

I have very good reason to believe God. I do not condemn homosexuality. God does.

I am not hoping to deserve your time. Where you spend your time is of very little consequence to me.

Please explain what existed directly after the Big Bang, as if you know?

 

[Sonofason]

You needn't flatter yourself. I was only including those who espouse good scholarship.

Perhaps, but you do injustice in doing so. Perhaps honesty is a better tactic.

 

[sojourner]

The Jews like you were always looking for ways to justify their actions. The Bible is quite clear. Your personal elaborations are worthless. There are no reliable extra biblical teachings on the texts.

:biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:

Oh! I can't breathe! I'm wiping my eyes! My stomach hurts from laughing -- gotta stitch in my side!

Boy, do you have a lot to learn!!!!

The Jews (as well as responsible Christians) are looking for ways to read the texts with integrity and responsibility. Unlike you, by all appearances, since you seem to think that slavery is OK.