Library Idiocy

[muichimotsu]

Did they not demand that it be removed?

Funny because using same judgement they should have removed the rest of sexual deviations from personality disorders just because of "brain complexity".
The fact that only homosexuality was removed but not the rest of deviations is clearly due to protests.

They didn't, pretty sure they're still considered paraphilias, but only if they cause undue distress, which is a reflection of the increased precision on what they consider a mental illness

 

[Truth in love]

Libraries aren't government run, or do you not realize how they're managed? I've never worked in that specific kind of function, but I'm quite aware of it through my current job that libraries RECEIVE government funding, but are often funded by private citizens and donations from corporations (we got $5K from Nissan, an annual grant we get, afaik) and aren't run by government in that direct sense anymore than the post office is (though they're governed to a degree by the government per the constitution, but they function as a business far more than a mere government department like Transportation, etc)

And the management is by a committee that is set up through the library (not unlike a board of regents for a university), it functions as a non profit, meaning they're held accountable, but they also manage things by standards that aren't arbitrarily determined, but something connected to the American Library ASsociation and related organizations by state.

not all libraries function the same. If the library in question was not getting tax money the town can’t vote to defund it can they?

 

[Truth in love]

Seems you're conflating public access and government funded, they aren't identical and in some cases, are almost exclusive to each other. A place that is publicly accessible does not mean people have carte blanche in regards to said access

Publicly funded is clearly the norm in public libraries.

 

[muichimotsu]

Off the rails agian.

A dismissive contemptuous tone is not helpful to a discussion, only to reinforcing the preconception you have that things as they are must be changed to something you believe to be better with no substantiation behind it

 

[muichimotsu]

not all libraries function the same. If the library in question was not getting tax money the town can’t vote to defund it can they?

Nope, not how that works, because the library serves a function that is guided by principles they can point to, the community is often ignorant of that fact. You don't get to tell a library what they can and can't do merely because you contribute some amount of money to them, because you are not the sole source of said income remotely, nor does the library only exist for you.

Never said all libraries functioned the same, there are academic institution libraries, which are privately run moreso and perhaps get some amount of federal or state funding, but public libraries are not the same as libraries related to a school remotely, they exist independently and ironically often emerge from libraries that started in churches. Yet here you are trying to take things back as if the library is your property just because you contribute to some amount of their funding. That still doesn't make it the sole discretion of the community based on religious bigotry and reactionary fears

A community benefits from diversity, it is not for you pearl clutching zealots to say what is appropriate or not based on preferential faith based nonsense that doesn't use your brains remotely, just your gut

 

[muichimotsu]

Publicly funded is clearly the norm in public libraries.

Yet, here's a new flash for you, there's 2 kinds of public forums: traditional and designated. The latter is what a library functions as, you don't get to loiter there, you don't get to harass people and you don't get to use it as your own personal mouthpiece to control the narrative for a community that has every right to know about racial and sexual minorities

The source of the funding is immaterial to how the library should be run: or are you claiming these libraries are doing stuff JUST to get funding from some private companies that are doing this partly because they realize investing into education and such benefits them in the long term with better educated workers?

 

[Truth in love]

A dismissive contemptuous tone is not helpful to a discussion, only to reinforcing the preconception you have that things as they are must be changed to something you believe to be better with no substantiation behind it

You making up stuff.

 

[muichimotsu]

How in the goddamned hell is talking about what libraries do off topic when the topic is about libraries?

Careful, you're trying to educate them, might make their heads explode!

 

[Truth in love]

Nope, not how that works, because the library serves a function that is guided by principles they can point to, the community is often ignorant of that fact. You don't get to tell a library what they can and can't do merely because you contribute some amount of money to them, because you are not the sole source of said income remotely, nor does the library only exist for you.

Never said all libraries functioned the same, there are academic institution libraries, which are privately run moreso and perhaps get some amount of federal or state funding, but public libraries are not the same as libraries related to a school remotely, they exist independently and ironically often emerge from libraries that started in churches. Yet here you are trying to take things back as if the library is your property just because you contribute to some amount of their funding. That still doesn't make it the sole discretion of the community based on religious bigotry and reactionary fears

A community benefits from diversity, it is not for you pearl clutching zealots to say what is appropriate or not based on preferential faith based nonsense that doesn't use your brains remotely, just your gut

“Peal clutching zealot”. Did you not just make a baseless accusation about my tone and now call me a zealot? Can you discuss the issue at hand or not?

 

[Truth in love]

Yet, here's a new flash for you, there's 2 kinds of public forums: traditional and designated. The latter is what a library functions as, you don't get to loiter there, you don't get to harass people and you don't get to use it as your own personal mouthpiece to control the narrative for a community that has every right to know about racial and sexual minorities

The source of the funding is immaterial to how the library should be run: or are you claiming these libraries are doing stuff JUST to get funding from some private companies that are doing this partly because they realize investing into education and such benefits them in the long term with better educated workers?

I’m simply stating that getting tax payer money puts them accountable to the tax payer.

 

[muichimotsu]

let’s retrace. You falsely stated that the Bible was promoting killing many people.

I said that it was not a valid government function.

you then went on a rant about printers.


How is your needing a printer related to the issue of the book selection of a library?

also profane language suggests that your upset rather than discussing the topic.

The Bible is not a valid government function? Yep, we agree there, you're jumping around in your own topic here while accusing someone else of not staying on topic, height of irony

And printers are important in terms of access for people that don't have the funding or means to get one, it's not as easy as you think, especially in more rural areas.

Also...do you not think the presence of a paper shortage that's still ongoing last I heard, might be pertinent in terms of a library's book selection in the broader sense? Adding to the collection is also not always practical when you have limited space and growth is not always practical

 

[muichimotsu]

“Peal clutching zealot”. Did you not just make a baseless accusation about my tone and now call me a zealot? Can you discuss the issue at hand or not?

If your tone is suggesting the library has to be privatized because you think it's immoral to even have books discussing racism, LGBTQ topics, etc, then the shoe seems to fit VERY well

The issue at hand is that you don't appear to have even a surface level understanding of what libraries do or how they are run and speak like you know better or that the will of a community is infallible somehow and not a result of populist brainwashing

 

[muichimotsu]

I’m simply stating that getting tax payer money puts them accountable to the tax payer.

Not absolutely and not in the way you seem to be insinuating, because their being offended about the presence of a book is not sufficient to remove it, nor is their misrepresentation and outright lying about the content of a book or who gets access to it helpful to the discussion. No one's handing a child a freaking Harlequin romance novel with sexual content in it, a librarian would generally have the nuance to recognize that

 

[muichimotsu]

You making up stuff.

Then speak clearly, so as not to be misunderstood. Fault is not strictly with others, it's as much with you talking in generalities to the point that you have NO substance to what you're advocating for beyond blind populist garbage

 

[Truth in love]

The Bible is not a valid government function? Yep, we agree there, you're jumping around in your own topic here while accusing someone else of not staying on topic, height of irony

And printers are important in terms of access for people that don't have the funding or means to get one, it's not as easy as you think, especially in more rural areas.

Also...do you not think the presence of a paper shortage that's still ongoing last I heard, might be pertinent in terms of a library's book selection in the broader sense? Adding to the collection is also not always practical when you have limited space and growth is not always practical

You are making no sense.

 

[Truth in love]

If your tone is suggesting the library has to be privatized because you think it's immoral to even have books discussing racism, LGBTQ topics, etc, then the shoe seems to fit VERY well

The issue at hand is that you don't appear to have even a surface level understanding of what libraries do or how they are run and speak like you know better or that the will of a community is infallible somehow and not a result of populist brainwashing

More and more straw men. Do you know how to discuss a topic or can you just recite canned 2 bit baseless attacks?

 

[Truth in love]

Then speak clearly, so as not to be misunderstood. Fault is not strictly with others, it's as much with you talking in generalities to the point that you have NO substance to what you're advocating for beyond blind populist garbage

Then let me very clear. I reject your many baseless accusations, insults and very undignified behavior. Please read the rules and fallow them or go away.

 

[Callisto]

US library defunded after refusing to censor LGBTQ authors: ‘We will not ban the books’

Entire library in a small town in MI has been defunded over an LGBTQ book, that was aimed at adults.

Legitimately in a Culture War at this point, and it's pathetic.

Considering how many people these days have never stepped foot in a library, sadly the only thing that is surprising is that they think enough people use the libraries to warrant any *debate.

Why would anyone be faced with sexual content in a public library?

For those rusty on the various texts found in public libraries (I've included the DDS codes):

612.6 - Human Physiology: Reproduction, Development & Maturation
306. - Culture & Institutions
306.7 - Relations between Sexes, Sexualities, Love

306.73 - Culturally Typical Patterns of Sexual Relationships & Behavior
306.7x - separate subsections for Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, Asexuality, and Transgender​

Just to name a few fields of research. With relevant books on the matter discussed within the context of tangential subjects like Religions (200), Psychology (150), Sexual Ethics (176); and Sexual abuse (362.760) and likely a few more.

Edited: somehow forgot a word (*debate).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Careful, you're trying to educate them, might make their heads explode!

'Twould be a good thing, perhaps, because he's ok with rape in at least one situation and refuses to acknowledge this situation of consentless sex (specifically when consent is withdrawn) as rape.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not hard at all. You claim that the Bible is calling for the death of various people including homosexuals and people who disrespect parents.
That was a part of the law of Moses and came to an end.

but hey if you can’t actually have a conversation I’ll stop wasting your time. You’ve made it quite clear that you are unwilling to function like an adult in our discussions.

This is an uphill battle you can't actually win, because Jesus said those who promote this idea of lessening the Law will be counted among the least in the Kingdom because he explicitly states he did not come to do away with or lessen the Laws and Prophets. You can't win it because no Christian can definitively state why his or her interpretation is the correct and superior one. And you can't win it because the Bible explicitly lists several things it wants people killed for.