Library Idiocy

[Shadow Wolf]

I was simply point out again that your post was very far off topic and filled with assumptions.

How in the goddamned hell is talking about what libraries do off topic when the topic is about libraries?

 

[paradox]

Neither is homosexuality. You have yet to show me it's an impairment

Show how exactly? isn't definition of impairment enough?
But I could as well be wrong maybe it's disturbance in behaviour which the definition also mentions, maybe both of that applies.

That is historically inaccurate. It was a resounding vote to strike it because it had been realized homosexuality isn't a disorder.

Sure but "realized" in quotes because there was no research done, do you think they did research in such a short time?

And dictionary? That isn't accurate either, nor is the idea of one official one that is used and accepted by all.

Can you find a dictionary that is accurate from reliable source? you'll see that the difference is only lack of "homosexuality" I'm pretty sure.

 

[VoidCat]

Show how exactly? isn't definition of impairment enough?
But I could as well be wrong maybe it's disturbance in behaviour which the definition also mentions, maybe both of that applies

I dont see how homosexuality is a decrement in psychological or physiological functioning.

As for distrubance in behavior again I dont see it causing a distrubance in behavior.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Sure but "realized" in quotes because there was no research done, do you think they did research in such a short time?

It wasn't a short time. It was decades of studies and observations and two prior editions of the DSM.
Try actually learning all this stuff before spouting nonsense that has no basis in fact and makes it obvious you are speaking with certainty regarding things you are ignorant of. Such as, they don't use a "dictionary."

 

[Truth in love]

How in the goddamned hell is talking about what libraries do off topic when the topic is about libraries?

let’s retrace. You falsely stated that the Bible was promoting killing many people.

I said that it was not a valid government function.

you then went on a rant about printers.


How is your needing a printer related to the issue of the book selection of a library?

also profane language suggests that your upset rather than discussing the topic.

 

[paradox]

I dont see how homosexuality is a decrement in psychological or physiological functioning.

As for distrubance in behavior again I dont see it causing a distrubance in behavior.

You omitted "typical":

A decrement in the body’s typical psychological functioning

It wasn't a short time. It was decades of studies and observations and two prior editions of the DSM.
Try actually learning all this stuff before spouting nonsense that has no basis in fact and makes it obvious you are speaking with certainty regarding things you are ignorant of. Such as, they don't use a "dictionary."

You think I confuse dictionary for DSM?
Then why doesn't DSM help you?

 

[VoidCat]

You omitted "typical":



You think I confuse dictionary for DSM?
Then why doesn't DSM help you?

Imma just stop arguing. Don't see the point.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You think I confuse dictionary for DSM?
Then why doesn't DSM help you?

Yes, because you have repeatedly stated dictionary instead of DSM. The DSM is not a dictionary, nor is it used like one.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

let’s retrace. You falsely stated that the Bible was promoting killing many people.

Yes, because you mentioned tax payer objections and I stated how ridiculous such a thing is.
And, by the way, the Bible does want many of us dead. It has stated, for example, I am to be murdered for apostasy, homosexuality and being a rebellious kid.

I said that it was not a valid government function.

And I rebuttled that by stating the functions a library serves to the community complete with a Constitutional mandate as further suggestion as to why the state should fund and operate libraries.

you then went on a rant about printers.

No, it just seems you have poor reading comprehension. That is, unless your trying to cherry pick stuff and quote mine to try to make a feeble attempt at rebuttal.

How is your needing a printer related to the issue of the book selection of a library?

How is it you have such a hard time with reading comprehension and understanding clear, plain English?
Lets review this again, since you very obviously need help.

Myself, right now I don't have a functioning printer at home so in addition to books the library is a cheap place to get necessary things printed.

That is not a rant. There isn't even any negative wordage in that statement and it is doing nothing more than stating the fact I can't print at home so I rely on the library for printing.

 

[Truth in love]

Yes, because you mentioned tax payer objections and I stated how ridiculous such a thing is.
And, by the way, the Bible does want many of us dead. It has stated, for example, I am to be murdered for apostasy, homosexuality and being a rebellious kid.

And I rebuttled that by stating the functions a library serves to the community complete with a Constitutional mandate as further suggestion as to why the state should fund and operate libraries.

No, it just seems you have poor reading comprehension. That is, unless your trying to cherry pick stuff and quote mine to try to make a feeble attempt at rebuttal.

How is it you have such a hard time with reading comprehension and understanding clear, plain English?
Lets review this again, since you very obviously need help.

That is not a rant. There isn't even any negative wordage in that statement and it is doing nothing more than stating the fact I can't print at home so I rely on the library for printing.

So adding personal insults to your lies about what the Bible says? Any other lies you want to share.

p.s the gelato welfare is not a catch all for any whim someone dreams up. (And you actually insult my reading comprehension????)

 

[paradox]

Yes, because you have repeatedly stated dictionary instead of DSM. The DSM is not a dictionary, nor is it used like one.

Dictionary is in reference to THIS site.
We are talking about this dictionary all the time (if you go look back) because there is no pdf of DSM for download.

Imma just stop arguing. Don't see the point.

You're right, me too.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So adding personal insults to your lies about what the Bible says? Any other lies you want to share.

Lie? You're going to have a very difficult time proving that one (it can't be done).

p.s the gelato welfare is not a catch all for any whim someone dreams up. (And you actually insult my reading comprehension????)

Yes, I do insult it because you're doing a terribly crap job at comprehending what I'm saying. Like thinking I'm "ranting about printers" when I was describing a way I depend on the library. That conclusion wouldn't pass in an elementary level English class.

 

[Sand Dancer]

Neither is homosexuality. You have yet to show me it's an impairment

I love how these people take up time in their lives to argue things that don't affect them.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Dictionary is in reference to THIS site.

Why not use a more credible source? That one is utter garbage from what I'm seeing.
What is HOMOSEXUALITY (ETIOLOGY AND THERAPY)? definition of HOMOSEXUALITY (ETIOLOGY AND THERAPY) (Psychology Dictionary)

One promising new approach is the conditioning program designed by Freud (1960). The male patient is given an emetic which makes him vomit, and while he is sick he is shown slides of dressed and nude males. Later on he is given an injection of the male hormone, testosterone, to increase his sex drive, and he is then shown films of nude and semi-nude women.

That garbage is dangerous and has been widely condemned by the APA, AMA and scores of other institutions that study health.
That article is so lame it says Freud and something from 1960 are new.
What is HOMOSEXUALITY (Female)? definition of HOMOSEXUALITY (Female) (Psychology Dictionary)

Homosexuality is considerably less prevalent among women than among men. In the Kinsey studies (1948, 1953)

Gotta stop it right there because trying to launch a point based on 70 year old studies doesn't work, and as such those Kinsey studies have been falling out of favor.
Here's something that is actually up to date and credible.
APA Dictionary of Psychology

 

[Truth in love]

Lie? You're going to have a very difficult time proving that one (it can't be done).

Yes, I do insult it because you're doing a terribly crap job at comprehending what I'm saying. Like thinking I'm "ranting about printers" when I was describing a way I depend on the library. That conclusion wouldn't pass in an elementary level English class.

Not hard at all. You claim that the Bible is calling for the death of various people including homosexuals and people who disrespect parents.
That was a part of the law of Moses and came to an end.

but hey if you can’t actually have a conversation I’ll stop wasting your time. You’ve made it quite clear that you are unwilling to function like an adult in our discussions.

 

[muichimotsu]

Unless somebody invites someone to date I see no reason to proclaim your sexual preferences, because obviously neither a gay nor straight person would be happy to date each other.

No one said they would, but you assume romance isn't a common thing that can come about, people can develop attractions, knowing someone is gay or straight or such is not an indication that you're just going to always be talking about their sex life, because that isn't just their sexual orientation, it's their romantic orientation

I don't think it would be wise to debate over this, however you can do some research online if you're really interested.

Not sure it's wise to make bald assertions if you can't actually back them up or have the humility to admit you could be wrong. Don't patronize me like this, not helpful

Why would anyone be in charge of anything not just specific thing?

Obviously human societies all around the globe are governed by laws and state which enforces them, I don't like some laws and I'm sure a lot of people don't like a lot of different laws because it limits on what they're allowed to do.

You'll surely say, yes but laws ensure order and stability, that's unfortunate necessity due to the human nature to do evil to each other, so it then boils down to what is moral and what's not for construction of laws.
If you agree then tell who should decide what's morally OK and what's morally wrong? who should do the judgement?[

Laws are amendable by nature, they're not set in stone ,they only persist because people acknowledge them as just, which is not how it always remains.

It's not a matter of who, because legality/=/ morality by necessity, they incidentally overlap in places

 

[muichimotsu]

There's a difference between pornography and a book that mentions LGBT themes.

This:https://www.amazon.com/My-Two-Moms-..._5?keywords=my+two+moms&qid=1659894744&sr=8-5 or this: https://www.amazon.com/My-Two-Moms-..._1?keywords=my+two+moms&qid=1659894784&sr=8-1 are not pornography. Hustler or Playboy would be pornographic material.

There are probably many cheap romance novels(from a heterosexual point of view) within that library that would border on being pornographic. Do you think they'd kick up a stink about those, too?

Nope, because we've normalized that as a society, those cheap mass market paperbacks that at some points sold for probably a dime.

 

[muichimotsu]

Why do some believe there is an obligation to fund things one does not desire? It isn't censorship to say "I'm not going to pay for that."

Funding a library is not the same as funding abortion (which taxpayer dollars objectively don't fund per the Hyde Law), let's not paint with a broad brush here. I'd prefer churches get taxed, primarily because they don't exist in the social vacuum the law seems to claim they do so that taxing is somehow an undue burden even though many make more than an average person does in a year

 

[muichimotsu]

That’s quite the straw man there. I don’t think libraries are a valid function of government. So I guess the best answer to your question is that it should be private and provide content based on an agreed upon system.

Libraries aren't government run, or do you not realize how they're managed? I've never worked in that specific kind of function, but I'm quite aware of it through my current job that libraries RECEIVE government funding, but are often funded by private citizens and donations from corporations (we got $5K from Nissan, an annual grant we get, afaik) and aren't run by government in that direct sense anymore than the post office is (though they're governed to a degree by the government per the constitution, but they function as a business far more than a mere government department like Transportation, etc)

And the management is by a committee that is set up through the library (not unlike a board of regents for a university), it functions as a non profit, meaning they're held accountable, but they also manage things by standards that aren't arbitrarily determined, but something connected to the American Library ASsociation and related organizations by state.

 

[muichimotsu]

I don’t think any of it should be publicly funded or made available to children. ( I can’t speak to any double standards beyond knowing it is a real possibility).

your point is valid it may not be porn, not all of it is. However books which are offensive to the tax base are going to have problems. This is a core fail of making everything public.

Seems you're conflating public access and government funded, they aren't identical and in some cases, are almost exclusive to each other. A place that is publicly accessible does not mean people have carte blanche in regards to said access