Life Begins at Conception

[DarkSun]

After five and a half months and nearly 400 posts, we've seen all kinds of grasping at straws, off-topic arguing and posturing, appeals to science or the poster's idea of it, and appeals to emotion including this truly remarkable photo of a zygote:

What we have not seen is any credible assertion that there is any biblical evidence for the claim that life begins at conception.

That's because there is none.

Your question is answered, Darkness. Go in peace.

That is a rather remarkable picture of a zygote. Can we kill it?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No as there has to be both to create life. An egg cannot create life on its own accord and sperm cannt create life on its own accord. you need both. Once thatl ife is created in the womb, it is a life.

If life is not already present in the egg and sperm, you won't "create life" in the way you describe.

Put a dead sperm cell and a dead egg together and see what happens. The life of the embryo is derived from the life of the gametes that it was formed from.

 

[Tiapan]

The gametes of each sex produce a cell sperm or egg of 23 chromosomes for humans.
after conception 1hr-1 week a sperm fertilizes an egg 46 chromosomes this single cell divides into a bastula around 40 cells as a ball prior to indenting to the notocord and differentiation m
Many of the secondary cells will not actually evolve into a life form, they will form the umbilical cord and Placenta. Also if the bastula is broken apart at this stage, often results a pair or more of identical twins.

So while life does begin as soon as 46 chromosomes are present, not all the cells available will evolve into a sentient child. Many are peripheral.

Long live cloning and genetic engineering.
The future of our genes is at our finger tips.
Lets hope they are competent hands.

Cheers

 

[Smoke]

That is a rather remarkable picture of a zygote. Can we kill it?

It seems premature to worry about it, since if it's a zygote there's a good chance it won't result in a viable pregnancy anyway. The chance that it will implant successfully is somewhere between 1 in 5 and 2 in 5, and even if it does, there's a 1 in 3 chance that it will spontaneously abort.

 

[DarkSun]

It seems premature to worry about it, since if it's a zygote there's a good chance it won't result in a viable pregnancy anyway. The chance that it will implant successfully is somewhere between 1 in 5 and 2 in 5, and even if it does, there's a 1 in 3 chance that it will spontaneously abort.

I take it that there's always a chance it will die after, birth, too. So it seems a bit premature to be worrying about it then, as well.

 

[lockyfan]

If life is not already present in the egg and sperm, you won't "create life" in the way you describe.

Put a dead sperm cell and a dead egg together and see what happens. The life of the embryo is derived from the life of the gametes that it was formed from.

Exactly from the monet of creation the embryo is a life.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Exactly from the monet of creation the embryo is a life.

In the sense that the egg or the sperm that preceded it was "a life", yes.

 

[Charity]

Of course life begins at conception, It starts as an embryo and eventually grows to become a fetus. And after 9 months the evidence of life is delivered for all to see.
Just as a flower starts out as seed, grows and buds and springs forth to a beautiful blossom....
Something without life will not grow.

 

[McBell]

Of course life begins at conception,.

I disagree.

The sperm and the egg, the two cells that conception is all about, both have to be alive or there is no conception.

 

[Charity]

I disagree.

The sperm and the egg, the two cells that conception is all about, both have to be alive or there is no conception.

Your entitled to your opinion. I would be shocked if you agreed with me...
Of course they both have to be alive or you don't have conception, but when they are both viable then when conception occurs we have life. Life is a living, breathing form.....

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Your entitled to your opinion. I would be shocked if you agreed with me...
Of course they both have to be alive or you don't have conception, but when they are both viable then when conception occurs we have life. Life is a living, breathing form.....

An embryo is a living, breathing form?

 

[Charity]

An embryo is a living, breathing form?

It grows, it draws nourishment from it's mother it starts developing and forming arms, legs, eyes etc. Have you ever seen an embryo?

 

[McBell]

Life is a living, breathing form.....

Interesting.
So you think that the zygote and embryo breathe?
How is that done, exactly, without lungs?

 

[Charity]

Interesting.
So you think that the zygote and embryo breathe?
How is that done, exactly, without lungs?

Why do you suppose that there is an umbilical cord that gives oxygen and nourishment to the embryo.....Breathing is the exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide until the baby's lungs develop....Which without this the baby would aspirate in the fluid inside the uterus.....

 

[McBell]

Why do you suppose that there is an umbilical cord that gives oxygen and nourishment to the embryo.....Breathing is the exchange of oxygen and carbon dioxide until the baby's lungs develop....Which without this the baby would aspirate in the fluid inside the uterus.....

interesting:

"The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48"
Breathe \Breathe\
1. To respire; to inhale and exhale air; hence;, to live.

2. To take breath; to rest from action.

3. To pass like breath; noiselessly or gently; to exhale; to
emanate; to blow gently.


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[Sunstone]

Exactly from the monet of creation the embryo is a life.

What rational basis do you have for asserting the ludicrous claim that life begins at conception?

 

[Charity]

interesting:

"The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48"
Breathe \Breathe\
1. To respire; to inhale and exhale air; hence;, to live.

2. To take breath; to rest from action.

3. To pass like breath; noiselessly or gently; to exhale; to
emanate; to blow gently.

Mestemia I know what the act of breathing is, however my point is it is a living form, I should retract breathing as it does not actually perform the act of breathing but does require oxygen for it's survival, which it gets through the placenta and umbilical cord of the mother.
However the baby still gets oxygen and is living.....
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[Charity]

What rational basis do you have for asserting the ludicrous claim that life begins at conception?

I know you directed this to someone else but I have the rational basis of seeing the development of different stages of growth in different embryos. I believe based on my observation that an embryo is a living, viable form, if not there would be no growth no change, the embryo would not be viable....

 

[Sunstone]

I know you directed this to someone else but I have the rational basis of seeing the development of different stages of growth in different embryos. I believe based on my observation that an embryo is a living, viable form, if not there would be no growth no change, the embryo would not be viable....

Yes, but what rational basis do you have for asserting that life begins at conception? Why not recognize that life begins before conception?

 

[Charity]

Yes, but what rational basis do you have for asserting that life begins at conception? Why not recognize that life begins before conception?

You know how I value your opinion, so I find it difficult to disagree with you...

If we look at the Bible, which I know you don't want to, the scripture says , I'll paraphrase here, "God knew you before you were formed" so maybe we did have life before conception....
My rational basis is if it grows it is a living "form" and it happened when a living sperm swam up river and saved a drowning egg and gave it CPR and thus gave new life......