Looks like Kennedy will suspend campaign, endorse Trump

[Colt]

So what? She hasn't repudiated that statement, only expanded it to include LGPT marriages. It wasn't just Democrats whose views have evolved. Many Republicans have gone through a similar evolution, although the mainstream of the party is still largely hostile to the LGPT community.



So? Obama did not face the numbers that have surged at the borders during the Trump and Biden administrations. Biden had backed a bipartisan vote that would have passed Congress, if Trump had not lobbied against it. So it was really the Republicans who lost their values on that one. Harris is more knowledgeable and better suited than Trump to deal with immigration issues. He is the one threatening to deport millions of people through administrative action. He didn't do that during his four years in office, and it isn't the lack of cruelty that holds him back. It would be a logistical and economic nightmare for the country.

The (D)’s are enablers of illegal immigration. They have set up sanctuary cities and states all over America that encourage and support illegals. Harris won’t do anything to fix the problem.

The views of both on gay marriage and immigration would prevent either from getting elected.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hillary Clinton 2004 "I believe that marriage is not just a bond but a sacred bond between a man and a woman,"

And Hillary learned from her mistake and owned up to it.

Barrack Obama 2005 “We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked, and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently, and lawfully to become immigrants in this country.”

What are you nattering about here? It was Trump that tried to keep the border open recently to let immigrants pour over the border. Don't you follow the news at all?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The views of both on gay marriage and immigration would prevent either from getting elected

Tell us -- how, exactly, has the fact that Pete Buttigieg has married Chasten harmed you? And if they were forced to part and dissolve their family -- what would you gain?

Or do you just hate out of habit?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

What are you nattering about here? It was Trump that tried to keep the border open recently to let immigrants pour over the border. Don't you follow the news at all?

Not when it doesn't support his narrative.

 

[Subduction Zone]

In my life time, they both had to be either black or white -- no mix'n'match, sorry. In my province of Ontario, a woman named Velma Demerson was imprisoned for marrying an oriental man, under a law called "The Female Refuges Act," that was not repealed until I was 14 years old.

We learn, we grow and values change when our knowledge permits us just a little more wisdom.

In the US the case that ended laws on mixed race marriages was the appropriately titled "Virginia vs. Loving". Loving won, hate lost.

EDIT: Oops. I had the title backwards. Lucky me Loving still won, hate still lost:

Loving v. Virginia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Subduction Zone]

Tell us -- how, exactly, has the fact that Pete Buttigieg has married Chasten harmed you? And if they were forced to part and dissolve their family -- what would you gain?

Let me think about it. I am sure that I can come up with something.

Or do you just hate out of habit?

Hey! No fair! At least use a spoiler alert.

 

[Father Heathen]

I have asked @Twilight Hue several times exactly what "oppression" and "which freedoms" are being taken away. I'm guessing not being allowed to turn left on a red light is high on the list. (Really, all I ever get feels like "something is wrong: I'm not as happy as I should be -- it must be Democrats' faults.)

I remember him being super upset over the government regulating plastic bags, yet not at all over the government regulating women's bodies.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I have asked @Twilight Hue several times exactly what "oppression" and "which freedoms" are being taken away. I'm guessing not being allowed to turn left on a red light is high on the list. (Really, all I ever get feels like "something is wrong: I'm not as happy as I should be -- it must be Democrats' faults.)

I posted almost ad nauseum , sites that had explicitly detailed those reasons. I'm not playing your game that you don't know along with my direct accusations that the nanny state itself is responsible from the choices from bags to abortions is enabled through these same legal mechanisms.

You might as well stop pretending I never provided answers and embarrassing yourself with your games as well.

If you don't like them then go elsewhere.

 

[Pogo]

I posted almost ad nauseum , sites that had explicitly detailed those reasons. I'm not playing your game that you don't know along with my direct accusations that the nanny state itself is responsible from the choices from bags to abortions is enabled through these same legal mechanisms.

You might as well stop pretending I never provided answers and embarrassing yourself with your games as well.

If you don't like them then go elsewhere.

You posted your Cato institute list several times which is not taken seriously by much of anybody.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I posted almost ad nauseum , sites that had explicitly detailed those reasons. I'm not playing your game that you don't know along with my direct accusations that the nanny state itself is responsible from the choices from bags to abortions is enabled through these same legal mechanisms.

You might as well stop pretending I never provided answers and embarrassing yourself with your games as well.

If you don't like them then go elsewhere.

Ah, yes. Well, you see, I have answered those: it is not depriving you of your "freedoms" to disallow you the "right" to murder somebody, nor to pour poison down wells, nor to stage large, outdoor rock concerts in suburban neighborhoods at 3:00 AM. There are REASONS for those restrictions that most of society has agreed upon and decided that they can live without. Poisoning our air, strangling our rivers and befouling our oceans are now being seen by most as in the same category -- now that we know what all that plastic is doing to our land-fills and waterways, now that we know what damage is caused by mine tailings left beside river systems providing water for hundreds of thousands downstream, and so forth.

If you think that you are being denied basic "freedoms" by being denied those, you are among the most selfish people on earth. The rest of us know why we must do without some things that may make our lives a tiny bit more convenient if it means saving our planet so that it can support all those lives that will not be aborted far into the future. That's more of a commitment to life than any abortion ban, kiddo.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Ah, yes. Well, you see, I have answered those: it is not depriving you of your "freedoms" to disallow you the "right" to murder somebody, nor to pour poison down wells, nor to stage large, outdoor rock concerts in suburban neighborhoods at 3:00 AM. There are REASONS for those restrictions that most of society has agreed upon and decided that they can live without. Poisoning our air, strangling our rivers and befowling our oceans are now being seen by most as in the same category -- now that we know what all that plastic is doing to our land-fills and waterways, now that we know what damage is caused by mine tailings left beside river systems providing water for hundreds of thousands downstream, and so forth.

If you think that you are being denied basic "freedoms" by being denied those, you are among the most selfish people on earth. The rest of us know why we must do without some things that may make our lives a tiny bit more convenient if it means saving our planet so that it can support all those lives that will not be aborted far into the future. That's more of a commitment to life than any abortion ban, kiddo.

So you just went from plastic bags to murder.

This exchange ends here sunshine.

 

[Colt]

Tell us -- how, exactly, has the fact that Pete Buttigieg has married Chasten harmed you? And if they were forced to part and dissolve their family -- what would you gain?

Or do you just hate out of habit?

I’m not opposed to gay marriage, I was pointing out that Hillary was and that you would call her hateful today.

Your Hatred for Christians and morality that’s inconvenient to you is your own problem.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

So you just went from plastic bags to murder.

This exchange ends here sunshine.

You don't decide when I stop; I do.

Plastic bags, as just one of the many, many things our species thoughlessly does that are destroying our planet and our climate, are a just a symbol. Those who would leave an unlivable planet to the people who will come after us are just as careless about life as those they too often complain about. It's just a little further off, which makes it feel less imminent.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I’m not opposed to gay marriage, I was pointing out that Hillary was and that you would call her hateful today.

Your Hatred for Christians and morality that’s inconvenient to you is your own problem.

Don't be ridiculous. We are all -- even Hillary -- part of our own time and place. Before 2000 (when I turned 52) I didn't believe in same-sex marriage. I was a product of my culture, and my culture couldn't really even contemplate such a thing. Too often, it takes more courageous, more innovative people than most of us are to imagine such changes. However, once those ideas have surfaced, and the reasons for their merit have been revealed to us, there are those of us who can change our opinions -- and those who rely on the dogma of the past and dig in their heels. Even if it means continuing to be unfair to others.

 

[Kathryn]

And Hillary learned from her mistake and owned up to it.

Oh, is that how we're wording it now?

 

[Kathryn]

Too often, it takes more courageous, more innovative people than most of us are to imagine such changes. However, once those ideas have surfaced, and the reasons for their merit have been revealed to us, there are those of us who can change our opinions -- and those who rely on the dogma of the past and dig in their heels.

So it doesn't matter that people can change their minds about things. Good to hear you say this.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

So it doesn't matter that people can change their minds about things. Good to hear you say this.

Of course it matters! It matters in a good way, because it's how we learn -- if we're open to learning. Too often,, dogma and mindless "adherence to the old ways" make people close their minds to learning.

 

[Pogo]

Of course it matters! It matters in a good way, because it's how we learn -- if we're open to learning. Too often,, dogma and mindless "adherence to the old ways" make people close their minds to learning.

Which is unfortunately what MAGA is all about.
Conservatism has its value, it is good for safety and stability, but when it unnecessarily impedes progress it has lost that value.

 

[Kathryn]

Of course it matters! It matters in a good way, because it's how we learn -- if we're open to learning. Too often,, dogma and mindless "adherence to the old ways" make people close their minds to learning.

Good, keep on saying that.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Good, keep on saying that.

Fear not -- I am a lifelong learner, right up until today. But let me point out that I know something about what it means to learn. For example, Isaac Newton was a brilliant scientist. His world-changing Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica, first printed in 1687, presented Newton’s famous laws of motion and of universal gravitation. His work provided the foundation upon which modern physics stands, and ranks among the most important books in science history. And of course, he (co-)invented calculus.

So naturally, we should respect what he has to say, right? Well, no! Newton also believed that there was a way to turn lead into gold, and he cheerfully sentenced men to grisly death, and tried to extract "scientific principles" from the Bible. So I learned that even the most brilliant of humans should only be listened to in areas where they have actual expertise. That is, be careful what "authority" you quote. Dig deeper. Think how many conspiracy theories we could dispense with, if most of us just did that!