Me no forget.
I said "pogrom" & "Manifest Destiny".
More Christian history that they won't
admit to, or allow to be taught in schools.
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Louisiana becomes first state to require that Ten Commandments be displayed in public classrooms
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I said "pogrom" & "Manifest Destiny".
admit to, or allow to be taught in schools.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Now there is an idea, should this particular one be posted throughout the state if they do?
anotherneil
Well-Known Member
Sure why not.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Pogrom is more used when it comes to Jews. Saying "Manifest Dynasty" glosses over how bad that really was and is.
They won't. What has Christianity's contributions to America the teacher asks? Racism, systemic racism, slavery, domestic terrorism amd today they are giving pregnant women a hard time amd killing some while needlessly destroyong the fertility of others.
But our laws? Thank whatever gods that are, might be or however you want to ohrase it that American laws are not supposed to be based on such a bloodthirsty and repressive religion.
But not just for Jews.
Perhaps you don't know what the
term means, & how it was used.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Not according to the dictionary.
Definition of POGROM
: an organized massacre of helpless people
specifically such a massacre of Jews
I know. However, calling it such, saying it's a destiny, it downplays amd.glosses over the mass theft amd cruelty behind it.
You say "the" dictionary.
Are you aware that your source is merely one of many?
Dictionary.com | Meanings & Definitions of English Words
The world's leading online dictionary: English definitions, synonyms, word origins, example sentences, word games, and more. A trusted authority for 25+ years!
Read the examples it provides, eg....
If you're going to be a nitpicker,
be more careful about it.
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They do all the time
Things like “Parents shalt not enter in school unless you get approved”.
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anotherneil
Well-Known Member
It sounds like you're saying that this law is unnecessary and pointless, but just out of curiosity I'd like to see the schools there try this & see if they can get away with it to circumvent the apparent intent of this law at religious imposition and scoffing at 1st Amendment separation of church and state.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Construction started in 1932. Did you know the north wall Frieze also depicted Mohammad? Also only six through ten were displayed to keep things more secular.
They even got Napoleon up there!
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And that is the question that the Supreme Court will hear. Is it an imposition or simply the historical display of the list of rules that influenced US Law.
And I think they can display that picture on the walls of schools too.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
That argument does not fly if they do not legally require the pictures of others in Louisiana. Cherry picking just the Ten Commandments shows that they are favoring one religion over others.
anotherneil
Well-Known Member
From what I understand, the claim is that they want to require it because it supposedly has some US historical significance & relevance. I don't even know what this US historical significance & relevance is at all. I think it's BS. Even if it weren't, I wonder if they're also requiring something similar in the world history courses that are from non-Christian religions, such as Islam, Hinduism, or Shintoism that's analogous to the 10 commandments from the Bible.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
It seems clear to me that the only point of the law is to use the state government to endorse and promote a particular religious view. Those who sponsored the law are clearly quite radical in that regard. One of the coauthors, when asked what she would say to non-religious and minority religion families about their children being exposed to this blatant endorsement of her religious views, tried to squirm out of answering the question. Finally, her advice to the children of families that disagreed with her religious views: "Don't look at it." She was clearly contemptuous of anyone who did not buy into her religious convictions.
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What evidence is there that it influenced US law?
And to what extent.
I’ve covered and cited the hundreds of times it was referenced in Supreme Court decisions.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Did you cite and cover the hundreds of times Shakespeare was quoted in USSC decisions?
Just one of many examples:
Writing It Right: Shakespeare in the courts
Sigma Financial Corp. v. Gotham Insurance Co. was an insurance coverage and professional negligence suit in federal district court.2 During pretrial proceedings, Judge Andrew J. Guilford granted plaintiff Sigma’s motion for leave to file an amended complaint to add a defendant.
In fact it is quite common to quote Shakespeare, here is a link to an article that claims in the US he has been quoted at least 800 times in various US court decisions:
Supreme Court Justices Love Quoting Shakespeare and Lewis Carroll, Study Finds
RBG, Scalia, and the rest of the gang love these authors just as much as we do.
www.mentalfloss.com
Does that mean it would be okay to demand that the famous soliloquy from Hamlet be posted on school walls?
Your argument fails rather badly as an excuse to abuse the First Amendment just because your side is the one that gets its moral (and immoral) beliefs posted.
A summary would be nice.
I ask because Christians tend to believe that
values they like originate from Christianity,
eg, don't murder (popular among most).
But many are not Christian values....they're
much older, more widely shared, & of a
different origin than Christians know.
I'd expect Christians to treat history as....
The good: From Christian belief in the Bible
The bad: From heathens, Satan, science
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
I've already pointed out to you that that claim doesn't really bear out in reality.
The first 4 commandments are just about how you're supposed to worship god and stroke his ego. We don't have any laws based on any of those.
Honouring your parents isn't a law anywhere that I know of.
There are no laws against coveting your neighbor's manservant and his oxen, that I'm aware of on the books.
Adultery isn't a crime here either.
So what are we left with from the Ten Commandments that would indicate it's the "basis for law?"
Don't murder and don't steal.
Wow, a grand total of 2 of them! And you want us to believe that these 10 commandments are the "basis for law?" How did you come to this conclusion, given that only two of the commandments show up anywhere in any of our laws?
Try giving me an actual answer instead of just trying to slough it off as "religiophobia."