Louisiana becomes first state to require that Ten Commandments be displayed in public classrooms

[Argentbear]

In my understanding, it actually originates from Genesis 4, way before the 10 Commandments were presented. We know that it was first oral to humanity. Love knows that murder is wrong. and everything was birthed from the God who is Love.

and in the bible God calls upon us to commit murder time and again.

 

[Kenny]

and in the bible God calls upon us to commit murder time and again.

Only in your interpretation. I have dealt with those statements so many times.

I like this analogy… an eagle seeks fresh meat and a buzzard seeks dead meat. They both find what they are looking for. You want to see God as the author of murder, and that is what you see when you read. Never going deeper. Thus Jesus spoke in parables. The hungry find the God who is Love.

 

[Revoltingest]

Its a common fundamentalist protestant position that believes that ultimately morality is derived from god who gave us perfect rules to live by but that it's humans who get things wrong, twist and streth the rules and justify the ways of man are better than the ways of god.
In other words, its an effort to attack humans and play up their belief we are inherently sinful and doomed to fail and enforce thier poisonous views were are corrupt, wicked, evil sinners without their god. Inherently we just can't get things right or even do the right thing on our own and we must have their god just to have a shot and a chance at doing the right thing.
It also builds on their belief their god is everywhere and all living things naturally worship and praise him, and without him it's atheism and atheists are fools or its paganism with its false gods and sinful practices. Morality comes from him, so to reject him must mean it makes us immoral.

Their attempt to impose their sky fairy myths
upon the heathen would be an example of
inherent sin. Ironic, eh.

 

[Revoltingest]

The hungry find the God who is Love.

Some do. Others (many) find the God
they want....the God of murder, theft,
oppression, & fanaticism.
Of what use is a god who morphs into
whatever the believer's baser nature is?

 

[Kenny]

Some do. Others (many) find the God
they want....the God of murder, theft,
oppression, & fanaticism.
What use is a god that morphs into
whatever the believer's baser nature is?

True… Satan is the author of all that… man does morph God into man’s baser nature — it remains, at that point, his false god IMV but not the real God of Love.

 

[Revoltingest]

True… Satan is the author of all that… man does morph God into man’s baser nature — it remains, at that point, his false god IMV but not the real God of Love.

God created Satan.
So evil is part of it's plan.
Whatever a human's whim is,
Christianity offers justification.
Good or evil? Both work.
This isn't useful to society.
And it often foments great evil.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

True… Satan is the author of all that… man does morph God into man’s baser nature — it remains, at that point, his false god IMV but not the real God of Love.

No, your god said he is the author of all that.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Some do. Others (many) find the God
they want....the God of murder, theft,
oppression, & fanaticism.
What use is a god that morphs into
whatever the believer's baser nature is?

I think it was Dennet who said man made god in his image.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think it was Dennet who said man made god in his image.

Dennet The Mennet?

 

[Argentbear]

Only in your interpretation. I have dealt with those statements so many times.

I like this analogy… an eagle seeks fresh meat and a buzzard seeks dead meat. They both find what they are looking for. You want to see God as the author of murder, and that is what you see when you read. Never going deeper. Thus Jesus spoke in parables. The hungry find the God who is Love.

2 Chronicles 15:12-13
And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman".

Luke 19:27 But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”

1 Samuel 15:2-3 Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”

Leviticus 24.16 One who blasphemes the name of the Lord shall be put to death; the whole congregation shall stone the blasphemer. Aliens as well as citizens, when they blaspheme the Name, shall be put to death.

Deuteronomy 17.2–5 If there is found among you, in one of your towns that the Lord your God is giving you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, and transgresses his covenant by going to serve other gods and worshiping them—whether the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden—and if it is reported to you or you hear of it, and you make a thorough inquiry, and the charge is proved true that such an abhorrent thing has occurred in Israel, then you shall bring out to your gates that man or that woman who has committed this crime and you shall stone the man or woman to death.

Ezekiel 9:5 “Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 “If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.”

Deuteronomy 17:12 Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel.

Exodus 22:17 You should not let a sorceress live.

Leviticus 20:13 “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.”

Leviticus 20:27 A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death.

I can go on if you like

 

[McBell]

2 Chronicles 15:12-13
And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman".

Luke 19:27 But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”

1 Samuel 15:2-3 Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”

Leviticus 24.16 One who blasphemes the name of the Lord shall be put to death; the whole congregation shall stone the blasphemer. Aliens as well as citizens, when they blaspheme the Name, shall be put to death.

Deuteronomy 17.2–5 If there is found among you, in one of your towns that the Lord your God is giving you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, and transgresses his covenant by going to serve other gods and worshiping them—whether the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden—and if it is reported to you or you hear of it, and you make a thorough inquiry, and the charge is proved true that such an abhorrent thing has occurred in Israel, then you shall bring out to your gates that man or that woman who has committed this crime and you shall stone the man or woman to death.

Ezekiel 9:5 “Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 “If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.”

Deuteronomy 17:12 Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel.

Exodus 22:17 You should not let a sorceress live.

Leviticus 20:13 “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.”

Leviticus 20:27 A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death.

I can go on if you like

um...

Murder is a killing that goes against the law.
So by definition of the word, if the law giver says to kill, it is not murder.

Therefore, by the very definition of the word murder, your examples are not murder.

 

[Kenny]

God created Satan.
So evil is part of it's plan.
Whatever a human's whim is,
Christianity offers justification.
Good or evil? Both work.
This isn't useful to society.
And it often foments great evil.

Yes, there are many interpretations and all of them can’t be correct since they all differ.

Doesn’t change the reality that God is Love. If one views one’s interpretation and it doesn’t follow “love” - pretty sure it is a wrong interpretation.

 

[Viker]

God is Love.

That's your interpretation.

 

[Kenny]

That's your interpretation.

1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

No… it’s pretty much black on a white background.

 

[fantome profane]

Yes, there are many interpretations and all of them can’t be correct since they all differ.

They can't all be correct. But they can all be wrong.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yes, there are many interpretations and all of them can’t be correct since they all differ.

With no way to objectively say which is correct.

Doesn’t change the reality that God is Love.

That's one opinion, not necessarily reality.

If one views one’s interpretation and it doesn’t follow “love” - pretty sure it is a wrong interpretation.

You're correct, & any Christians who differ are incorrect, eh.
They'd say the same of you.

 

[Argentbear]

um...

Murder is a killing that goes against the law.
So by definition of the word, if the law giver says to kill, it is not murder.

Therefore, by the very definition of the word murder, your examples are not murder.

the official wording of the ten commandment by the state of Louisiana is "Thou shall not kill"

 

[Kenny]

With no way to objectively say which is correct.

Which I could say, my objectivity is irrelevant since God has spoken

That's one opinion, not necessarily reality.

Unless one is right.

You're correct, & any Christians who differ are incorrect, eh.
They'd say the same of you.

I don’t think any Christian has ever said I was incorrect when I said “God is Love”.

On forum Christians, please let me know if I you differ on this proclamation.

 

[McBell]

the official wording of the ten commandment by the state of Louisiana is "Thou shall not kill"

Which is completely irrelevant to the definition of the word murder.

 

[Argentbear]

Which is completely irrelevant to the definition of the word murder.

Lawful murder kind of destroys the concept of "God is Love"