McBell
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You were asked to present examples of murder in the Bible.
You failed.
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Louisiana becomes first state to require that Ten Commandments be displayed in public classrooms
- Thread starter Evangelicalhumanist
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You failed.
You actually hear his voice?
Which is unknowable....objectively.
Have you ever discussed the matter with fire & brimstone types?
Just ask @Shadow Wolf what her experience was as a Christian.
Your type isn't the only one.
Whuh?
Argentbear
Well-Known Member
There is always human sacrifice
Would this do...
Old Testament Mass Killings
Paul Coulter takes an in depth look at the violence in the Old Testament that was commanded by God and asks how we should understand it.
McBell
Unbound
Would it do what?Would this do...
Old Testament Mass Killings
Paul Coulter takes an in depth look at the violence in the Old Testament that was commanded by God and asks how we should understand it.www.bethinking.org
Show murder in the Bible?
Not really.
As I already flat out stated, "murder is an unlawful killing. therefore, by the very definition of the word, any killing that the law giver demands is not murder."
Cain killing Abel is an example of murder in the Bible.
Qualify as murder in the Bible.
That seems a tautology, ie, murder sanctioned
by God isn't murder because it's OK with God.
Perhaps to a Bible thumper, all that smiting
& killing of people who don't deserve it
wouldn't be "murder". But to us secular folk
it's mass murder.
You mean you don’t?
John 10:27
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
I think it is.
The Apostle Peter, James and his brother John use to be like that until Jesus taught them a better way.
But do they disagree that God is a God of Love? no.
Fire and Brimstone is just another way of say there is a prison. My saying there is a prison sentence if you rob a bank does translate me into saying “I love you so don’t do that”.
Don’t understand… did the people who gave her a bad experience (And I am fully aware that there are bad experiences) say that God wan’t a God of Love? Or are you just pulling at straws!
Just trying to see if you are right. I didn’t see any Christian takers that disagreed with my statement
Viker
Your beloved eccentric Auntie Cristal
What definition or interpretation of love are we using?
Agape love.
ἀγαπάω, -ῶ; [imperfect ἠγάπων]; future ἀγαπήσω; 1 aorist ἠγάπησα; perfect active [1 person plural ἠγαπήκαμεν, 1 John 4:10 WH text], participle ἠγαπηκώς (2 Timothy 4:8); passive [present ἀγαπῶμαι]; perfect participle ἠγαπημένος; 1 future ἀγαπηθήσομαι; (akin to ἄγαμαι [Fick, Part 4:12; see ἀγαθός, at the beginning]); to love, to be full of good-will and exhibit the same: Luke 7:47; 1 John 4:7f; with the accusative of the person, to have a preference for, wish well to, regard the welfare of: Matthew 5:43ff; Matthew 19:19; Luke 7:5; John 11:5; Romans 13:8; 2 Corinthians 11:11; 2 Corinthians 12:15; Galatians 5:14; Ephesians 5:25, 28; 1 Peter 1:22, and elsewhere; used often in the First Epistle of John of the love of Christians toward one another; of the benevolence which God, in providing salvation for men, has exhibited by sending his Son to them and giving him up to death, John 3:16; Romans 8:37; 2 Thessalonians 2:16; 1 John 4:11, 19; [noteworthy is Jude 1:1 L T Tr WH τοῖς ἐν Θεῷ πατρί ἠγαπημένοις; see ἐν, I. 4, and cf. Bp. Lightfoot on Colossians 3:12]; of the love which led Christ, in procuring human salvation, to undergo sufferings and death, Galatians 2:20; Ephesians 5:2; of the love with which God regards Christ, John 3:35; [John 3:20 Lmarginal reading]; John 10:17; 15:9; Ephesians 1:6. When used of love to a master, God or Christ, the word involves the idea of affectionate reverence, prompt obedience, grateful recognition of benefits received: Matthew 6:24; Matthew 22:37; Romans 8:28; 1 Corinthians 2:9; 1 Corinthians 8:3; James 1:12; 1 Peter 1:8; 1 John 4:10, 20, and elsewhere. With an accusative of the thing ἀγαπάω denotes to take pleasure in the thing, prize it above other things, be unwilling to abandon it or do without it: δικαιοσύνην, Hebrews 1:9 (i. e. steadfastly to cleave to); τήν δόξαν, John 12:43; τήν πρωτοκαθεδρίαν, Luke 11:43; τόσκότος; and τό φῶς, John 3:19; τόν κόσμον. 1 John 2:15; τόν νῦν αἰῶνα, 2 Timothy 4:10, — both which last phrases signify to set the heart on earthly advantages and joys; τήν ψυχήν αὐτῶν, Revelation 12:11; ζωήν, 1 Peter 3:10(to derive pleasure from life, render it agreeable to himself); to welcome with desire, long for: τήν ἐπιφάνειαν αὐτοῦ, 2 Timothy 4:8 (Wis. 1:1 Wis. 6:13; Sir. 4:12, etc.; so of a person: ἠγαπήθη, Wis. 4:10, cf. Grimm at the passage). Concerning the unique proof of love which Jesus gave the apostles by washing their feet, it is said ἠγάπησεν αὐτούς, John 13:1, cf. Lücke or Meyer at the passage (but others take ήγάπ. here more comprehensively, see Weiss's Meyer, Godet, Westcott, Keil]. The combination ἀγάπην ἀγαπᾶν τινα occurs, when a relative intervenes, in John 17:26; Ephesians 2:4 (2 Samuel 13:15 where τό μῖσος ὁἐμίσησεν αὐτήν is contrasted; cf. Genesis 49:25 εὐλόγησε σε εὐλογίαν; Psalms of Solomon 17:35 [in manuscript Pseudepig. Vet. Test. edition Fabric. i., p. 966; Libri Apocr. etc., edition Fritzsche, p. 588] δόξαν ἥν ἐδόξασεν αὐτήν); cf. Winers Grammar, § 32, 2; [Buttmann, 148f (129)]; Grimm on 1 Macc. 2:54.
On the difference between ἀγαπάω and φιλέω, see φιλέω. Cf. ἀγάπη, 1 at the end.
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McBell
Unbound
So then all you need to do is convince the "Bible Thumper" that their chosen deity got it wrong.
Good luck with that.
That's not an answer.
the answer is there—you just don’t want to acknowledge it. Is it because the question is “Why don’t you hear His voice?” The answer is there too in light of my signature. In the light of my signature I would add that He wants you to hear His voice and has done everything possible to do so.
Evasive.
McBell
Unbound
If your plan here was to seem all mystical or mysterious, you failed.
Big time.
It is coming off that you are trying to distract from not having an actual answer.
That wouldn't be possible.
Reason cannot defeat faith.
LeftyLen
Active Member
My heart say YES to this as the ten Commandments are important, but my Constitution says NO as the Constitution is essential, the last word in civil matters
LeftyLen
Active Member
I am a constitutional fundamentalist, thus through i would like the ten commandments in school the first amendments says no.
LeftyLen
Active Member
My heart say YES to this as the ten Commandments are important, but my Constitution says NO as the Constitution is essential, the last word in civil matters,, the constitution is the final authority.