outhouse
Atheistically
Agreed.
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"Love thy enemy": Some thoughts on Paris
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Agreed.
outhouse
Atheistically
Part of my personal problem with this, is every muslim I have ever debated has not accepted the historical truth and refused credible knowledge regarding history.
We have some great muslims in the forum as far as people go. But as far as history goes I find every one avoiding knowledge.
Everyone gets real touchy on how they discuss this, and you cannot for the life of you get a straight answer if you cross over their line of faith. You will get a question for an answer that is trying to direct you back to their lines of faith
Unification
Well-Known Member
I don't think they can be negotiated with, they want to ignite and see fulfillment of their end-times/end of world doctrine. There is nothing that they want other than that. It's an exoteric dogmatic doctrinal war for how they created "Allah" to be and what they perceive "Allah" to want them to do. They want to initiate war and violence with Rome and the world because they perceive them as the beasts. The only thing that will change their minds are if they became aware of what their texts really meant and had a change in heart or mind.
It's the dangers of these exoteric doctrines. Small things and indirect things that seem harmless really are harmful. Mainstream "Christianity" doctrine states the same exoteric stuff of wars and violence, end times and end of the world. All being fed and spoonfed into minds. Certain places and people are only to blame, there are beasts, devils, anti-Christs when it's their nature and doctrine that are beasts, devils, anti-Christs. When it is actually literally happening in the world, there is nothing but disgust, hate, and judgement. Many aren't aware of the full extent of the dangers of this stuff in minds. It's a rapid seed of thorns that grows and enslaves minds from all over. Feeding right into the system. To the point, one radical extreme group takes it to the next level by putting it into action and not just in mind.
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outhouse
Atheistically
psychoslice
Veteran Member
That's means nothing, its not just money that makes people greedy, it can be power, Bin Laden was an idiot, and hence his stupid ideas.Oh please. Bin Laden was a billionaire at birth who gave every penny he had away to the poor and needy. He could have everything and live like a king but he was not affected by greed or selfinterest
And my experience, having traveled for a living for about 20 years, is that that view is very wrong. I have known Muslims in many areas. I knew one young girl, a child of two Sunni Muslims, who, at the ripe old age of 6, spoke e fluent English, Farsi, French and Arabic. Her parents were two of the most peaceful and loving people I have ever met. In all of my travels, and you know its been extensive, I have never met a single Muslim who was as you describe. Not once Outhouse. Is it not possible that your view is skewed dear one? I get the message you make above but not all of them are like this, and in fact, in my experience, very few are.
LOL...I know baby but I hate to see us disagree. Its been so rare with you.We cannot agree on everything
I agree with you that some on this forum have been rather more toeing the line, if you will. However, that said, is that a fair assessment of the entire community of people? Not in my opinion love. I don't know Outhouse. Maybe its my more laid back approach to people and my being a nurse whose entire life has been about caring and accepting ALL people for who they are no matter what. I knew a boy in NC that had the worst case of psoriasis I have ever seen. He would not allow anyone to see him, it was that severe. But I looked at him and through acceptance, got him to see that I didn't see his disease but the beautiful young African American that he was. Oh and btw...he, too, was Muslim.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
This ^^^
Sorry but I have no patience for anyone trying to apologize for the disgusting and inhuman actions carried out by ISIS. France doesn't intentionally murder innocent people like ISIS does; France doesn't capture and enslave women and children like ISIS does; France doesn't behead apostates like ISIS does; France doesn't intentionally blow up and/or shoot innocent people in the streets like ISIS does; France doesn't want to destroy civilization as we know it, like ISIS does. There is no comparison.
MARCELLO
Transitioning from male to female
Although I can not walk on street alone or just do shopping alone without soldiers accompanying me since the bombs in Paris, ( I was able to before, ) here, my full heart is with the muslims who are against terrorism. I stopped the weird and absurd idea that muslims are my enemy. So should you.
You are the reason why I am no more comfortable in doing daily normal things alone ,here. All of the muslims I know here are running away from me,in order to avoid a misunderstanding,not to be reported as terrorists against europeans.
There are everyday killings in muslim world made by terrorists .Not just Jean Pierres are killed. Ahmads and Mohammeds are killed too.
You are the reason why I am no more comfortable in doing daily normal things alone ,here. All of the muslims I know here are running away from me,in order to avoid a misunderstanding,not to be reported as terrorists against europeans.
There are everyday killings in muslim world made by terrorists .Not just Jean Pierres are killed. Ahmads and Mohammeds are killed too.
Useless2015
Active Member
You are the one making excuses for terrorism. You're government is led by terrorists with a 3 piece suit. The true difference between IS and NATO is the fact that IS does not hide the horrible acts they commit and NATO does hide it.
Money equals power..His ideas were noble, to stop the Western terrorism on innocent muslim children, men and women. Unfortunely the killing of innocent muslims is still on going
Useless2015
Active Member
Most terrorists who attacked France were North African. Do you people know about the genocide France has commited in Algeria, Morocco? Here are some pictures and facts.
Rape was done daily on Algerian women by the filthy french devils.
This was an official post stamp used by the French:
On 8 May 1945, French army troops with machines guns opened fire on a crowd, killing hundreds of people. This was followed by intense bombing by French aircrafts in Setif, neighboring Guelma and nearby villages. According to Algerian sources, by the end of the massacre on 22 May, 45,000 Algerian civilians had been killed.
Upon seizing an Algerian city in 1830, the French embarked on a campaign to colonise the entire country. This marked the beginning of 130 years of Algerian enslavement.
In response to French colonization efforts, the Algerians established several anti-colonisation resistance organisations. The most important of which being the resistance movement of Abdelkader El Djezairi. However, in an attempt to break down Algerian resistance and pro-independence support, French occupation forces placed the Algerians under military, political, religious, cultural and economic pressures.
Cultural pressure was applied with the intention of eliminating Muslim and Arab identities. Attempts were made to replace Arabic and Berber -the official languages of Algeria-with French. Religious pressure was applied with the intention of replacing Islam with Christianity via an increase in Christian missionary activities. Land belonging to tribes who were deemed ‘anti-occupation’, was confiscated in a bid to apply economic pressures and non-transferable properties belonging to foundations that were set up to serve the society were seized. Europeans migrants were also settled into colonial settlements in the country's most beautiful regions. In order to encourage such migration, land was seized from native tribes and distributed, without cost, to European migrants.
Algerian rebellion against political repression and massacre led to brutal suppression at the hands of the 400,000 French soldiers whom had been deployed to the country. Hundreds of thousands of people were killed. Following the genocidal massacre, France gained entire control of Algeria. Although this was only achieved in the 1900’s, from this point onwards, hundreds of thousands of French citizens settled in Algeria.
At the start of World War II in 1939, France was briefly occupied by the Germans. During this period, the Algerians fought against Hitler alongside the French and under the French flag, with the belief that following the war they would be granted independence. On 8 May 1945, the Allies were winning the war and Germany withdrew. Celebrations marking the end of the war were held in Europe and similarly in Algerian Setif. Thousands of Algerian’s in Setif marched with Algerian flags and placards written ‘Long Live Freedom and Independence’. Marching song of independence could also be heard.
However, the French administration reacted harshly to such demonstrations. France wanted the system established since 1830 to continue. French army troops with machines guns opened fire on a crowd, killing hundreds of people. This was followed by intense bombing by French aircrafts in Setif, neighboring Guelma and nearby villages. Martial law was declared in the country. Thousands of people were detained and executed without questioning. According to Algerian sources, by the end of the massacre and arrests on 22 May, 45,000 Algerians had been killed.
The massacre witnessed in Algeria led to an increasingly violent reaction amongst its citizens. During this period, pro-independence movements began to emerge once again. Between the years of 1948-52 preparations for revolt against the occupation took place. The Movement for the Triumph of Democratic Liberties (MTLD) was founded under the leadership of Messali Hadj and in 1950, the movement was active against French rule. However, discontent amongst members with regards to the leadership of Messali Hadj and his peaceful democratic methods resulted in the formation of a break away group named National Liberation Front (Front de Libération Nationale-FLN). On 1 November 1954 FLN militants launched a series of attacks on military facilities, warehouses, communication systems and public enterprises across Algeria.
The Algerian War of Independence had officially begun.
Rape was done daily on Algerian women by the filthy french devils.
This was an official post stamp used by the French:
On 8 May 1945, French army troops with machines guns opened fire on a crowd, killing hundreds of people. This was followed by intense bombing by French aircrafts in Setif, neighboring Guelma and nearby villages. According to Algerian sources, by the end of the massacre on 22 May, 45,000 Algerian civilians had been killed.
Upon seizing an Algerian city in 1830, the French embarked on a campaign to colonise the entire country. This marked the beginning of 130 years of Algerian enslavement.
In response to French colonization efforts, the Algerians established several anti-colonisation resistance organisations. The most important of which being the resistance movement of Abdelkader El Djezairi. However, in an attempt to break down Algerian resistance and pro-independence support, French occupation forces placed the Algerians under military, political, religious, cultural and economic pressures.
Cultural pressure was applied with the intention of eliminating Muslim and Arab identities. Attempts were made to replace Arabic and Berber -the official languages of Algeria-with French. Religious pressure was applied with the intention of replacing Islam with Christianity via an increase in Christian missionary activities. Land belonging to tribes who were deemed ‘anti-occupation’, was confiscated in a bid to apply economic pressures and non-transferable properties belonging to foundations that were set up to serve the society were seized. Europeans migrants were also settled into colonial settlements in the country's most beautiful regions. In order to encourage such migration, land was seized from native tribes and distributed, without cost, to European migrants.
Algerian rebellion against political repression and massacre led to brutal suppression at the hands of the 400,000 French soldiers whom had been deployed to the country. Hundreds of thousands of people were killed. Following the genocidal massacre, France gained entire control of Algeria. Although this was only achieved in the 1900’s, from this point onwards, hundreds of thousands of French citizens settled in Algeria.
At the start of World War II in 1939, France was briefly occupied by the Germans. During this period, the Algerians fought against Hitler alongside the French and under the French flag, with the belief that following the war they would be granted independence. On 8 May 1945, the Allies were winning the war and Germany withdrew. Celebrations marking the end of the war were held in Europe and similarly in Algerian Setif. Thousands of Algerian’s in Setif marched with Algerian flags and placards written ‘Long Live Freedom and Independence’. Marching song of independence could also be heard.
However, the French administration reacted harshly to such demonstrations. France wanted the system established since 1830 to continue. French army troops with machines guns opened fire on a crowd, killing hundreds of people. This was followed by intense bombing by French aircrafts in Setif, neighboring Guelma and nearby villages. Martial law was declared in the country. Thousands of people were detained and executed without questioning. According to Algerian sources, by the end of the massacre and arrests on 22 May, 45,000 Algerians had been killed.
The massacre witnessed in Algeria led to an increasingly violent reaction amongst its citizens. During this period, pro-independence movements began to emerge once again. Between the years of 1948-52 preparations for revolt against the occupation took place. The Movement for the Triumph of Democratic Liberties (MTLD) was founded under the leadership of Messali Hadj and in 1950, the movement was active against French rule. However, discontent amongst members with regards to the leadership of Messali Hadj and his peaceful democratic methods resulted in the formation of a break away group named National Liberation Front (Front de Libération Nationale-FLN). On 1 November 1954 FLN militants launched a series of attacks on military facilities, warehouses, communication systems and public enterprises across Algeria.
The Algerian War of Independence had officially begun.
MARCELLO
Transitioning from male to female
Bin laden ,the terrorist was a maniac,nothing at all.The only problem with him was that he was too rich( all the construction in Mecca is done by Bin Laden group,let me say 100 billions of usd per a year,let you say 50 billions usd) I have seen other members of his family. They don't even cover heads when they are out of Felix.
George W Bush was a worse terrorist. Pls stop thinking that terrorism is just what muslims have been doing,think broader.
MARCELLO
Transitioning from male to female
And do not force me to post Belgian king's wonders on his Africa.Most terrorists who attacked France were North African. Do you people know about the genocide France has commited in Algeria, Morocco? Here are some pictures and facts.
Rape was done daily on Algerian women by the filthy french devils.
This was an official post stamp used by the French:
On 8 May 1945, French army troops with machines guns opened fire on a crowd, killing hundreds of people. This was followed by intense bombing by French aircrafts in Setif, neighboring Guelma and nearby villages. According to Algerian sources, by the end of the massacre on 22 May, 45,000 Algerian civilians had been killed.
Upon seizing an Algerian city in 1830, the French embarked on a campaign to colonise the entire country. This marked the beginning of 130 years of Algerian enslavement.
In response to French colonization efforts, the Algerians established several anti-colonisation resistance organisations. The most important of which being the resistance movement of Abdelkader El Djezairi. However, in an attempt to break down Algerian resistance and pro-independence support, French occupation forces placed the Algerians under military, political, religious, cultural and economic pressures.
Cultural pressure was applied with the intention of eliminating Muslim and Arab identities. Attempts were made to replace Arabic and Berber -the official languages of Algeria-with French. Religious pressure was applied with the intention of replacing Islam with Christianity via an increase in Christian missionary activities. Land belonging to tribes who were deemed ‘anti-occupation’, was confiscated in a bid to apply economic pressures and non-transferable properties belonging to foundations that were set up to serve the society were seized. Europeans migrants were also settled into colonial settlements in the country's most beautiful regions. In order to encourage such migration, land was seized from native tribes and distributed, without cost, to European migrants.
Algerian rebellion against political repression and massacre led to brutal suppression at the hands of the 400,000 French soldiers whom had been deployed to the country. Hundreds of thousands of people were killed. Following the genocidal massacre, France gained entire control of Algeria. Although this was only achieved in the 1900’s, from this point onwards, hundreds of thousands of French citizens settled in Algeria.
At the start of World War II in 1939, France was briefly occupied by the Germans. During this period, the Algerians fought against Hitler alongside the French and under the French flag, with the belief that following the war they would be granted independence. On 8 May 1945, the Allies were winning the war and Germany withdrew. Celebrations marking the end of the war were held in Europe and similarly in Algerian Setif. Thousands of Algerian’s in Setif marched with Algerian flags and placards written ‘Long Live Freedom and Independence’. Marching song of independence could also be heard.
However, the French administration reacted harshly to such demonstrations. France wanted the system established since 1830 to continue. French army troops with machines guns opened fire on a crowd, killing hundreds of people. This was followed by intense bombing by French aircrafts in Setif, neighboring Guelma and nearby villages. Martial law was declared in the country. Thousands of people were detained and executed without questioning. According to Algerian sources, by the end of the massacre and arrests on 22 May, 45,000 Algerians had been killed.
The massacre witnessed in Algeria led to an increasingly violent reaction amongst its citizens. During this period, pro-independence movements began to emerge once again. Between the years of 1948-52 preparations for revolt against the occupation took place. The Movement for the Triumph of Democratic Liberties (MTLD) was founded under the leadership of Messali Hadj and in 1950, the movement was active against French rule. However, discontent amongst members with regards to the leadership of Messali Hadj and his peaceful democratic methods resulted in the formation of a break away group named National Liberation Front (Front de Libération Nationale-FLN). On 1 November 1954 FLN militants launched a series of attacks on military facilities, warehouses, communication systems and public enterprises across Algeria.
The Algerian War of Independence had officially begun.
Useless2015
Active Member
Please post! It shows the true face of the West. They have commited the most horrific and inhumane acts and noone cares. They do care when it happens to them, suddenly they are like angels standing up for human rights lol. They think that everything they have done is somehow forgotten and forgiven.
MARCELLO
Transitioning from male to female
Don't worry they did the same within themselves too. See Poland.Nothing is forgotten and never will be.
outhouse
Atheistically
I have muslims family, they will not discuss the religion either in any aspect that goes against the central teachings in the books.
Here is my issue and I wish I was dead wrong. Find me a single muslim that agrees with what we know, that the koran was plagiarized form the bible as muhammads cousin was a Christian and he knew all about the previous traditions.
Find me one muslim that agreed that moses and Abraham are not historical prophets, yet literary creations like how modern academia shows us.
Why is there not one credible scholar in the whole world, that uses the koran ofr any credible research into Jesus or Israelite history.
Better yet, are there any credible Islamic scholars creating credible history? Because their own people would torture them if they told the truth.
outhouse
Atheistically
I have a way of investigating to reach my conclusions. I could be wrong.
I know there are great people who are muslim. I agree they are very loving. But you cannot talk to them about details of the religion "IF" it goes against their faith.
Shusha
Member
Wait, wait. Just who, exactly, is advocating for the murder of millions of innocents simply because they are Muslim? Who is advocating for an intentional genocide of all men, women and children who are Muslim?
That kind of rhetoric only serves to paint the targets of terrorism as the true "bad guys" and draw some sort of moral equivalency between ISIS and it's targets. Its intentionally false and misleading.
What some of us are advocating are targeted military interventions with the intention to remove leaders and resources from ISIS in order to contain them, arrest their growth and dishearten them. Not to mention proving that their prophecies are incorrect. As well as providing humanitarian aide to those in need. There is no moral equivalency between targeted military action against those who would harm innocents and ISIS which DOES advocate genocide and killing of innocents.
You are asking people who have faith to abandon that faith in many ways Outhouse. Is that fair? You expect an entire group of people to live up to YOUR ideals and views. Would you abandon your own if someone asked you to? Would you stop being an atheist to view the world from a believer's POV? I mean really really abandon it, not just pretend to. Do you begin to see how unfair this is?