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"Love thy enemy": Some thoughts on Paris

Unification

Unification

Well-Known Member
outhouse said:
You mean the most illiterate group on the planet are intelligent, while refusing reason and logic in favor of tribal mythology?


Ya good luck proving animals are intelligent.

I would agree not to under estimate them, as a lack of intellect is very dangerous.
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Logic and reason says you're an animal. I suppose you called yourself not intelligent.

Sure they're intelligent. Intelligent animals.
 
Unification

Unification

Well-Known Member
outhouse said:
I did not call myself an animal.

You did and it was a personal attack from you.

Your excuses are non sequitur.
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You weren't attacked, and I'm sorry that was easily offensive to you. Perhaps you may consider calling people who are illiterate and believe in myths an alternative rather than an "animal" next time.
 
Unification

Unification

Well-Known Member
outhouse said:
I did not call myself an animal.

You did and it was a personal attack from you.

Your excuses are non sequitur.
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Also, it is logic and reason of evolution that states you're an animal. I didn't call you anything.

The intelligent literate will read clearly and respond, not react.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Unification said:
You weren't attacked, and I'm sorry that was easily offensive to you. Perhaps you may consider calling people who are illiterate and believe in myths an alternative rather than an "animal" next time.
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Do you stand behind all cowardly terrorist committing genocide?
 
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JoStories

Well-Known Member
Shusha said:
You don't see the difference between "kill or enslave all the unbelievers" and "could we have a small slice of our homeland back"?
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Not really because to get that 'small slice of your homeland back', you, too, are killing innocents by bombing. Do you deny that? In my culture, which is NA, NO ONE owns the land. There was a time when all land was considered a part of the NA heritage but when the White Men came and took what was not their's, we were consigned to parcels of land. Now we have 'reservations' which are a very tiny part of what was once much more. And even so, while we aren't happy, we are not bombing our neighbors. We are protesting in some areas, but that is it. Its peaceful. Do you see the difference?
 
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JoStories

Well-Known Member
outhouse said:
YES.

It does to a degree. And its just my opinion below right or wrong. This is how an atheist views it.

We need to set this up in context, because it is a problem within islam, and it is NOT an isolated few that embarrass the religion. It is a huge percentage.

WE have a degree of liberal and moderate religions. Right or wrong I'm going to show you an accurate scale of radicalism.

Lest say the most liberal are typical Jews not the orthodox. Population of these people are very small from typical to radical.

Next is Christianity the largest, and we have some fanaticism but it is for the most part non violent.


With islam the fanaticism is required and practiced daily. Imagine if being a YEC was required to be a Christian, that is a similar level of fundamentalism, but not by the minority.

It is required by every last one.

As an atheist, I view this as people living different degrees of mythology as being true. And of all Abrahamic traditions, to me islam lives the most mythology by far.

No amount of facts or evidence can change their mind on core objects of faith, to me when people refuse this much reality, it brings up the element of "how dangerous can faith be" ?


MY point is we have a few radical Jews, we have a lot of radical non violent Christians, and we have all Muslims who are extreme and radical in their faith.
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Outhouse, I have several Sunni friends who are nothing like you describe. Not one iota. So I do not agree with you even in the slightest. Have you forgotten the vast numbers of people killed in the name of Christianity? I haven't. Particularly of NA's and indigenous peoples of places like Hawaii. Go see the Bishop Museum in Honolulu and tell me that that culture was not forced to kowtow to the Christian faith, by murder and by enslavement. Have you forgotten the Inquisition or the Burning times? I haven't. No Outhouse, we do not agree at all I'm afraid.
 
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JoStories

Well-Known Member
outhouse said:
Wrong, they are primitive and use fear as a tool. That is what these cowardly terrorist are all about.
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How is that not what the Christian Church in the form of RCC did during the Crusades, the Inquisition and so on? Did they not try to convert by the sword? Of course they did. Islam is at that stage right now. How can you not see the parallels between this? The RCC is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocents. There is no difference.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
It is not speculation that these terrorist attacks have been done to try and draw us into a conflict that the terrorists think they can win in the long run-- it's a given since bin Laden & Co. have admitted it and so has ISIS. Why does one think they attacked us on 9-11? Does one think that they thought they could defeat us here?

Yes, we need to respond, but we have to be very careful in doing so, and we must have a plan for what happens next. If we try to occupy Syria, how many troops will it take and for how long and what will the "end game" be? If we cannot answer those questions with some sort of assurance of being correct, then we better limit what we do because just attempting to bomb people into submission simply doesn't work. And we have to realize that the more indiscriminate bombing we may do simply angers even more to join the ranks of the terrorists, as we've seen.

IOW, we need to be smart here and not just react out of emotion.
 
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Useless2015

Active Member
psychoslice said:
Most certainly he was, he wanted power over all that he hated, and wanted to see his own sick ideologies polluting the world.
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Oh please. Bin Laden was a billionaire at birth who gave every penny he had away to the poor and needy. He could have everything and live like a king but he was not affected by greed or selfinterest:)
 
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