Macron refuses to appoint socialist Prime Minister

[mikkel_the_dane]

Barnier is from the Republicans. 60 seats
The image I linked you shows the Popular Front has got 182 seats...

Very democratic. Wow.

Wiki:

Prime Minister of France - Wikipedia

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One example of cohabitation includes President François Mitterrand's appointment of Jacques Chirac as prime minister after the legislative election of 1986. While Mitterrand's Socialist Party was the largest party in the National Assembly, it did not have an absolute majority. The RPR had an alliance with the Union for French Democracy, which gave them a majority. ..."

That is the law and the majority formed a government.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Imagine if the democratic socialists win the Danish elections and the king decides to appoint a conservative.
Is that possible in the fatherland of Hamlet?

You have to be specific. Minority or majority win?

 

[Estro Felino]

You have to be specific. Minority or majority win?

186 seats the Democrat Socialists.
60 seats Conservatives DVK

 

[Stevicus]

and the result is protest everywhere...
because socialists have won parliamentarian elections.

I mean socialism is light years away from the so called fuchsia Left of Macron Le Bonbon

That's why we socialists dislike this vomitous, obscene self-proclaimed, Left. Ruled by bankers.

I found this article about it:

French protesters rage at ‘stolen election’ as Macron picks conservative Barnier for PM

Two months after snap parliamentary elections that threw France into political turmoil, tens of thousands of left-wing demonstrators rallied in central Paris on Saturday in protest at French President…

www.france24.com

Apparently, the socialists wanted him to appoint Lucie Castets.

But Macron refused to appoint their candidate, civil servant and economist Lucie Castets, 37, claiming she would not survive a confidence vote and on Thursday named Barnier, whose Les Républicains party came a distant fourth, as France’s new prime minister.

It seems the people are pretty incensed by this.

“I’m so angry,” said Rocio, 59, as demonstrators gathered at Place de la Bastille in central Paris, a focal point of protests and marches.

“The results of the elections have not been respected. The people are fed up. The people want respect," said the data entry operator, describing France’s polarising and unpopular president as a “monarchist” and a “bankers’ stooge”.

“Macron should clear off for good and show us some respect,” she added, saying that she wanted him to be impeached.

‘Power grab’​

As the crowd began to swell, protesters held aloft a sea of flags and placards denouncing a “stolen election” and “Macron’s power grab”.

Families carried their children on their shoulders and the rally’s organisers led the crowd in a round of “On lâche rien” (We’re not giving up’) as the procession headed off towards Nation in eastern Paris.

The protesters in Paris were incensed that Macron had repeatedly presented himself as the only barrier against the far right since 2017, when they felt he had simply handed them the keys to power.

“We voted for Macron to block Le Pen – but actually we had a choice between Le Pen and Le Pen,” said Léo, accusing Macron of pandering to the far right on immigration.

The second round of the high-stakes vote on July 7 saw the highest turnout in decades – with votes split between three main blocs but no clear majority, handing the country a hung parliament and throwing France into political turmoil.

The NFP won the most seats while Macron’s Ensemble coalition came in second place – losing 72 seats and its relative majority in the National Assembly.

Despite its third-place finish, Marine Le Pen’s far-right National Rally won a record number of seats – 143 – to become the single largest party in a fragmented parliament.

Macron’s dangerous gamble had backfired: the French electorate had voted for change, the far right made huge gains and the left declared victory.

So, it appears the far right and the far left are getting larger, while the middle is shrinking. It seem that when the chips are down, the wealthy elite may choose to go with the far right rather than the far left.

 

[Estro Felino]

I found this article about it:

French protesters rage at ‘stolen election’ as Macron picks conservative Barnier for PM

Two months after snap parliamentary elections that threw France into political turmoil, tens of thousands of left-wing demonstrators rallied in central Paris on Saturday in protest at French President…

www.france24.com

Apparently, the socialists wanted him to appoint Lucie Castets.



It seems the people are pretty incensed by this.





So, it appears the far right and the far left are getting larger, while the middle is shrinking. It seem that when the chips are down, the wealthy elite may choose to go with the far right rather than the far left.

The Republicans are not far right.
They are moderate right. They are much closer to the elitist Macron than to Marine Le Pen.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

186 seats the Democrat Socialists.
60 seats Conservatives DVK

That is not Danish numbers. So I assume you are using the French ones.
Well, the King doesn't appoint a PM as such. He appoints a leader of the negotiations to find a PM. The leaders in any with a majority to negotiate or the largest minority of votes.

So if DVK has the largest amount of votes to negotiate, then the leader of the DVK becomes the negotiation leader, but from there doesn't follow PM. In effect with the French numbers, but the Danish way , the PM could come from other, the 11.

The point is that the PM in the Danish system has a majority behind them. And that doesn't have to include the largest party, unless that party has a majority of seats, no just a plurality.

 

[Estro Felino]

That is not Danish numbers. So I assume you are using the French ones.
Well, the King doesn't appoint a PM as such. He appoints a leader of the negotiations to find a PM. The leaders in any with a majority to negotiate or the largest minority of votes.

So if DVK has the largest amount of votes to negotiate, then the leader of the DVK becomes the negotiation leader, but from there doesn't follow PM. In effect with the French numbers, but the Danish way , the PM could come from other, the 11.

The point is that the PM in the Danish system has a majority behind them. And that doesn't have to include the largest party, unless that party has a majority of seats, no just a plurality.

I didn't understand anything, honestly.
That doesn't sound democratic, though.
Undemocratic.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I didn't understand anything, honestly.
That doesn't sound democratic, though.
Undemocratic.

Well, I understand it. And it is democratic, not just like you understand democratic.

 

[Estro Felino]

Well, I understand it. And it is democratic, not just like you understand democratic.

To me democratic is when most people vote for the right-wing...and the PM will be a rightist PM.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

To me democratic is when most people vote for the right-wing...and the PM will be a rightist PM.

Yeah, but you don't individually decide that and neither do I individually decide that. Democratic is the will of the majority of the people. Not what a single individual think.

 

[RestlessSoul]

So, it appears the far right and the far left are getting larger, while the middle is shrinking. It seem that when the chips are down, the wealthy elite may choose to go with the far right rather than the far left.

Pretty much sums it up I think. What we are seeing across Europe, is a collective failure of the centre, leading to an increasingly energised populist/extreme right. The threat of right wing populism is most severe in those countries where the left is unable to present a united alternative. In France, ironically, the various left wing parties have buried their differences and done exactly that, which is why Macron's decision to appoint a PM from the republican rump, is guaranteed to cause uproar.

 

[Estro Felino]

Pretty much sums it up I think. What we are seeing across Europe, is a collective failure of the centre, leading to an increasingly energised populist/extreme right. The threat of right wing populism is most severe in those countries where the left is unable to present a united alternative. In France, ironically, the various left wing parties have buried their differences and done exactly that, which is why Macron's decision to appoint a PM from the republican rump, is guaranteed to cause uproar.

I side with democracy.
I would have expected Mélenchon as PM ....not Mr. Technocracy.

 

[Stevicus]

The Republicans are not far right.
They are moderate right. They are much closer to the elitist Macron than to Marine Le Pen.

One person quoted in the article suggested that they voted for Macron to block Le Pen, but instead ended up with "Le Pen vs. Le Pen."

The protesters in Paris were incensed that Macron had repeatedly presented himself as the only barrier against the far right since 2017, when they felt he had simply handed them the keys to power.

“We voted for Macron to block Le Pen – but actually we had a choice between Le Pen and Le Pen,” said Léo, accusing Macron of pandering to the far right on immigration.

 

[Estro Felino]

One person quoted in the article suggested that they voted for Macron to block Le Pen, but instead ended up with "Le Pen vs. Le Pen."

There is something incredibly twisted and fraudulent about the French electoral system.

Because at the European elections Marine Le Pen won.
Few weeks later, at the Parliamentary elections, the Popular Front won.

It's not normal.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

There is something incredibly twisted and fraudulent about the French electoral system.

Because at the European elections Marine Le Pen won.
Few weeks later, at the Parliamentary elections, the Popular Front won.

It's not normal.

Yeah, you don't understand how the French system for parliament is different from how they elect MEPs

 

[Estro Felino]

Yeah, you don't understand how the French system for parliament is different from how they elect MEPs

In my country nothing changes.
Meloni was the first party then, she was the first party in the EU elections too.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

In my country nothing changes.
Meloni was the first party then, she was the first party in the EU elections too.

Yeah, you do understand that the election system in France is not the same for the French parliament versus the EU one? And that France is not Italy.

 

[RestlessSoul]

One person quoted in the article suggested that they voted for Macron to block Le Pen, but instead ended up with "Le Pen vs. Le Pen."

A lot of people feel like this, I think. Many French electors voted 'Anything but LePen', and so far that's been enough to keep the extreme right from power. Macron's assault on workers rights, pensions etc, is extreme enough in itself though, to those at the sharp end.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yeah, you do understand that the election system in France is not the same for the French parliament versus the EU one? And that France is not Italy.

Thank God...we don't have the same form of government as France.
It's a nightmare.
We have the parliamentarian system.
We are more similar to the British system.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Thank God...we don't have the same form of government as France.
It's a nightmare.
We have the parliamentarian system.
We are more similar to the British system.

So you have also first past the post?