No, we don't. A mixed system.
I said similar.
We have coalitions, even if there are dozens of parties. Like in most EU countries, of course.
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I said similar.
We have coalitions, even if there are dozens of parties. Like in most EU countries, of course.
On the surface, democracy seems very simple and easy to understand. One person, one vote - and whichever candidate gets the most votes wins the election. But the devil is in the details, as it doesn't seem to work that way in practice.
They can't even seem to come up with a system for counting the votes which everyone can trust. Just like in Venezuela, the actual vote count is in question.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
And the plurality party is also the PM and in the government?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
That is not always how it works.
The devil is the details.
Best saying ever.
Exactly.
I meant that in order to become fraudulent, they can always change the law in order to adjust the votes expressed in every section to their desires.
Meloni is the head of the right -wing-coalition.
The coalition won, she became PM.
It's similar to the British system...if you think about it.
It seems similar in the U.S., where a coalition of "anyone but Trump" voters is coalescing and getting behind Harris and the Democrats. They look like they could win, but even if they do, the public is still going to expect tangible results.
Exactly my point.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Meloni is the head of the right -wing-coalition.
The coalition won, she became PM.
It's similar to the British system...if you think about it.
No, it is not. You do understand the difference between first past the post and proportional systems.
I think that Italian Nationalists should kiss the feet of the American dems.
It's thanks to dems (Hillary, Soros, and similar individuals) that the rightist won.
They think that the Italian dems are like the American dems...so they hate them so much, that they want them to lose.
Yes. Do you understand the difference between similar and identical?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
This from you is not correct for all countries:
There is first past the post and proportional. Those are not the same.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yes. Do you understand the difference between similar and identical?
Yeah, in the UK a majority of votes are not required. In Italy they are. That is different, not similar.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
So it's similar.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yes and no. The Italian system favors coalitions. The UK doesn't.
Then it's not really "democracy" in its most fundamental form, is it?
Also, you should consider reading entire posts rather than just picking out random phrases to judge. What you deem as "not correct" was qualified by the sentence following it.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
No.
Democracy requires that a coalition is formed which holds a majority.
Here's a basic math exercise for you. Consider the following 2 situations:
- one party has 30% of votes and all the others form a coalition, so 70% of voters are represented in the government.
- one party has 51% of votes and form a government by themselves, so only 51% of voters are represented in the government
Which of these two governments are a better majority representation of the people?
People will always find something to protest about. Isn't it great to live in a country where you can actually do that?
Go try and protest against Putin in Moscow. See what happens.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
No surprises there.