kai
ragamuffin
Lava the Quran is the unalterable sacred word of god if it states there's Demons and sorcery then there is------no?
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Man sentenced to death for sorcery.
- Thread starter Father Heathen
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Lava the Quran is the unalterable sacred word of god if it states there's Demons and sorcery then there is------no?
blackout
Violet.
If you focus on just about anything,
from just about ANY angle,
you can see just about anything.
People see what they are inclined to see.
They see what they are looking to see.
And what they most expect to see.
We don't even need charlatans to fool us.
We do quite a good enough job of it all on our own.
kai
ragamuffin
what if i said ,"Faith is not blind Lava its Quranic" Can a Muslim question the Quran? If all scientific evidence pointed to the fact that sorcerers are charlatans could the Quran be wrong?
kai
ragamuffin
kai
ragamuffin
Good point Lava, isnt it forbidden to go to such a man for help?
.lava
Veteran Member
if you said that then i would say it is partially true. some religous are attached to worldly stuff including their faiths. but in our teachings physics and metaphysics go hand in hand. if some people were wasting their energy on how should a Muslim wear in society and discuss it as if it was the most important part of religion, well, it is their problem. the rest are not obligated to be bordered by their limits and their shallow interpretation of science/Ilm of Islam. religion becomes an ideology when it is percieved as pure worldly practice. that is not what Islam is about.
and for fake sorcerers...there is real and fake versions of everything. not everyone is charlatan
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kai
ragamuffin
Isnt it forbidden to go to a sorcerer for spells and such like?and believing in what magician or sorcerer says renders one a disbeliever.
Read more: Black Magic: Rulings & Remedy - IslamonLine.net - Ask The Scholar
kai
ragamuffin
If i may:
I think that as long as you recognise that sorcery cannot work unless Allah wills it and its not actually the sorcerer that wills it your ok. (now its getting a little confusing)
.lava
Veteran Member
yes, of course it is. i can't say it for sure talking to a sorcerer always make you lose your faith. it is not that easy to lose your faith. it could be damaged as it would be damaged by gossiping about people or stealing or you might get yourself in trouble or at least you'd be commiting a sin by trusting someone who goes against law of God. so what's your point?
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kai
ragamuffin
I forgot what my point was??????. Oh yes i think you said something like, what about the people that employed him to do the sorcery ? I was thinking that also.
blackout
Violet.
And especially if the sorcerer is assumed to be nothing more than a charlatan,
and is not "believed in".
How on earth could a charlatan make you lose or attain faith? right?
blackout
Violet.
Believing/Believing In/Having Faith/Having Faith In
The very same words can be used to mean just about anything.
EVERYONE SpellCasts.
ie..Casts their own meaning and interpretive spin
on the Written/Spelled/Spoken Word.
(According to their own Sense'Abilities and 'Reason/s')
Everyone is ALSO a SpellBinder,
Disallowing (or Binding) the interpretations of others,
or forbidden (or discouraged/"wrong") interpretations
from holding PERSONAL VALIDITY.
.lava
Veteran Member
yes, same words can be said for many things. i am aware of atheism, that does not mean i have faith in what they believe...so?
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