Man to Man... or Woman

[JesusKnowsYou]

Sure, we can do that, too.

No. We literally can't.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

No. We literally can't.

Shows what you know.

 

[JesusKnowsYou]

Shows what you know.

Sure does.

God bless.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

When a discussion is about the claims made in the Bible - there is no need to say "I believe..." in each and every sentence.

I was not making a claim of "this is truth" but rather "this is what the Bible teaches".

If you had said something like this initially I may not have reported you.

That isn't the standards you applied to others. They didnt clearly state anything to the effect of "I believe" or "in my opinion," amd you made you accusations. I saw you are failing to do this same step you found problematic in the posts of others.

I know Saint Frankenstein is not the only one - the world is full of wannabe dictators.

He is definitely not a dictator, wannabe or otherwise.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

May I ask, how and in what way it affects you?

Im trans. People spew crap, they spew it on me.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No. We literally can't.

You don't even know if he has a penis or not.
Myself, I don't care enough about that know. He says hes a guy, he has a manly beard, acts like a guy, thats good enough for me. (I dont want to see his bits anyways due to a total lack of interest, and I'dbe too terribly embarrassedto even think of conductingsuch an invasive intrusion).

 

[night912]

I personally believe that we should not do this.

I believe that we are the children of God and that our very spirits are engendered.

If you were born male - that is because your spirit is male - and you are a son of God.

If you were born female - that is because your spirit is female - and you are a daughter of God.

I'm not about to say that attempting to change one's gender is "sinful" or "evil" - but I do believe that it is a misguided desires and we should refrain.

Not only do I believe that any such attempt would be offensive to God - but it would also cause undue suffering to the individual who makes the attempt.

In other words, you ARE saying that attempting to change one's gender is sinful and evil. You are giving a false statement and deliberately using selective wording in order to decieve us. That's what an honest person would called, a LIE.

Isn't lying also a sin?

And yes, I am judging your statement as being a lie. And no need to bother quoting scripture from your holy book, it means nothing to me. But if it does mean something to you, perhaps you should do what you have been commanded to do.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Would you agree?

No. It doesn't work like that. We can't hear what is around us while we are in the womb. We wont know those songs sang to is. The claims of playing Mozart having a benefit are total bunk.

I was going to say good for you on quitting over-drinking, but then I though, I'd better make sure you are happy with that first. Are you happy you stopped getting drunk?
I'm happy for that nonetheless.

Not in and of itself. It certainly doesn't make me sad, and I don't miss it that much (I'd be lying to say otherwise because I do miss the feeling of feeling pain free), but it's more of a smaller part of a larger whole of improvements that has made me happy. As well as friends and family, who are happy for me to see me doing so much better than I was.
But for getting drunk I just lost my desire amd want for drunkenness. I still enjoy a drink once in awhile, but numbing myself up just isn't as appealing as it once was. And that's not so much as what makes me happy, its the improvements that lead to me not drinking far less, to the point its been 2 or 3 years now since I have been drunk, with the last couple times before that being a night of regretted "for old times sake."

 

[JesusKnowsYou]

That isn't the standards you applied to others.

Yes - it is.

I will remind you on what the forum rule concerning proselyting says,

"Stating opinions as a definitive matter of fact (i.e., without "I believe/feel/think" language, and/or without references) may be moderated as preaching."

Now for example - if sojourner had said - "Page X of the DSM IV states..." and then proceeded from that time forth to make claim after claim regarding medical conclusions without prefacing them with an "I believe..." - I would know that he was not "stating opinions as a definitive matter of fact" because all he was doing was relaying information he had gleaned from the DSM.

He would simply be referencing a source.

Similarly - when our discussion turned to what was taught in the Bible - there was no need for either of us to say "I believe..." at the start of every sentence because neither of us were "stating opinions as a definitive matter of fact" - but relaying information we had gleaned from the Bible.

We were simply referencing a source.

I criticized sojourner because he never once quoted or referenced the DSM IV or any other source when he "[stated his] opinion as a definitive matter of fact".

Besides - discussing a topic like sin - which not everyone believes in - is obviously a discussion about belief. It is all about context - but you refuse to see it because of your bias.

If you honestly believe that I have violated the forum's rules - report me - but I doubt any action will be taken because I am confident that I did not violate any of the rules.

They didnt clearly state anything to the effect of "I believe" or "in my opinion," amd you made you accusations.

But I did earlier in the discussion.

I said earlier in the discussion that I believed in the concept of sin and I referenced the Bible as a source for that belief.

sojourner already knew that I believed in the concept of sin, that I believed that sin was a product of the "natural man" and that I had previously referenced the Bible as a source for that information from previous posts we exchanged throughout our discussion.

You are just focusing on a snippet of our discussion - taking it out of context - and judging me prematurely without considering all relevant information.

I saw you are failing to do this same step you found problematic in the posts of others.

No - you saw what you wanted to see.

He is definitely not a dictator, wannabe or otherwise.

Saint Frankenstein wants to deny me my right to freedom of speech because Saint Frankenstein does not like what I say.

Those are the desires of a dictator.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Those are the desires of a dictator.

BTW. I didn't read much of that. Just enough to see excuses.
P.S. Frank doesn't want to take awaybyour freedom of speech. You, however, want to take away amd impede his best chance at a tolerable life.

 

[JesusKnowsYou]

You don't even know if he has a penis or not.
Myself, I don't care enough about that know. He says hes a guy, he has a manly beard, acts like a guy, thats good enough for me. (I dont want to see his bits anyways due to a total lack of interest, and I'dbe too terribly embarrassedto even think of conductingsuch an invasive intrusion).

It was Saint Frankenstein that offered to make physical comparisons.

And I know that Saint Frankenstein does not have a penis because Saint Frankenstein was born a biological female.

I don't care how Saint Frankenstein decides to live - but don't offer shallow comparisons in a vain attempt to prove that a person can actually transition.

 

[Rival]

Your feelings are wrong here also.
I think by now you should realize that what I have been telling you is worth paying attention to, considering seriously, and hopefully, then taking steps in line with the obvious conclusion.

Wrong feelings? How can feelings be wrong?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And I know that Saint Frankenstein does not have a penis because Saint Frankenstein was born a biological female.

So? He might still have one. It is possible.
But just remember: You brought up genitalia first. And his just might be bigger.

 

[JesusKnowsYou]

BTW. I didn't read much of that. Just enough to see excuses.

Heh. Excuses?

And what - besides laziness or cowardice - are our excuses for not reading my post?

P.S. Frank doesn't want to take awaybyour freedom of speech.

That is demonstrably false according to the story about the guy on the bus.

You, however, want to take away amd impede his best chance at a tolerable life.

Really? What have I said exactly?

What actions have I prescribed?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Wrong feelings? How can feelings be wrong?

Yours is definitely bigger.

 

[JesusKnowsYou]

In other words, you ARE saying that attempting to change one's gender is sinful and evil. You are giving a false statement and deliberately using selective wording in order to decieve us. That's what an honest person would called, a LIE.

Isn't lying also a sin?

And yes, I am judging your statement as being a lie. And no need to bother quoting scripture from your holy book, it means nothing to me. But if it does mean something to you, perhaps you should do what you have been commanded to do.

No - I am not saying that attempting to transition is sinful or evil.

It is possible to offend God without committing sin or being evil.

Your ignorance has led you to a false conclusion and a misrepresentation of what I said.

 

[JesusKnowsYou]

So? He might still have one. It is possible.
But just remember: You brought up genitalia first. And his just might be bigger.

No - it is not possible. That is a simple fact.

I did not offer to make any physical comparisons - Saint Frankenstein did.

It was the perfect set-up for me to drop the truth bomb.

There is no comparison.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That is demonstrably false according to the story about the guy on the bus.

Standing up against hate isn't being a dictator. He showed the courage needed no one else there had.

Really? What have I said exactly?

What actions have I prescribed?

Your oppositional and adversial reactions towards transitioning and trangender people is a great impediment. I even pointe ld out to you recently a post of yours that reflected some of the problems I had that made Christianity toxic to me.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

No - it is not possible. That is a simple fact.

I did not offer to make any physical comparisons - Saint Frankenstein did.

It was the perfect set-up for me to drop the truth bomb.

There is no comparison.

Truth is, if he's had bottom surgery he has a penis.

 

[JesusKnowsYou]

Standing up against hate isn't being a dictator. He showed the courage needed no one else there had.

No doubt - I would have most likely said something too.

However - Saint Frankenstein claimed that everyone on that bus had become "victims" and that the man should have been removed from the public transit.

Saint Frankenstein also claimed that you were a "victim" because of what I had said - so what do you think Saint Frankenstein would want to happen to me?

Considering Saint Frankenstein's views about the man on the bus - my removal from the forum - or at least my ability to share my opinion would be taken away.

Basically - Saint Frankenstein wants to criminalize certain speech.

Your oppositional and adversial reactions towards transitioning and trangender people is a great impediment.

No - it is not.

That would be like me claiming that an atheist's opinion about God impeded my ability to worship.

It doesn't. Plain and simple.

You are just a wannabe dictator who masquerades as a victim of imagined slights.

I even pointe ld out to you recently a post of yours that reflected some of the problems I had that made Christianity toxic to me.

If all you have had to deal with is people sharing their opinion on a religious forum website - then you have had literally zero problems.

Because that is all that I have done.

No one is forcing you to read my posts.

No one is forcing you to participate in this forum.

If you don't like what you are reading - stop reading - and go cry.

There is no place for that here.