Man Who Was Shot Six Times Still Waiting for Surgery Due to the Overwhelming Number of COVID Cases

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't think that would be humane or set a desirable precedent at all. It's a complicated situation made even sadder by the fact that it could have been prevented with proper measures such as vaccination and masking.

Oh well. People like the man in the OP shouldn't have to suffer needlessly because of the selfish, self destructive recklessness of others.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

A man who was shot six times has been waiting about a week to have surgery due to the hospital's being overwhelmed with COVID-19 cases:



A Texas hospital is so overwhelmed with COVID-19 cases that a man shot six times has waited a week for surgery

In my opinion, cases like this are among multiple reasons a case could arguably be made for mandatory COVID-19 vaccination in areas with a particularly high number of infections and resultant hospitalizations.

...what's the immediate solution?

Vaccinating the world won't make covid disappear overnight. Without compromising who is more critically ill (who needs a bed), how would we address it?

 

[We Never Know]

It seems to me that the focus in discussions about such situations should primarily be focused on how to minimize damage to patients and the ways in which health authorities could avoid said situations in the first place. This is why it immensely repels me when someone tries to turn it into a political argument or starts getting defensive, whether they're unvaccinated or not, at the expense of the more pertinent questions at hand.

Its been made so poilical it will never stop.
And its been made poilical from all sides.
Criticism and belittling is never a good way to get anyone to do anything.
This vaccine has became a new way the far left(hey stupid take it or everyone dies) and the far right(hey stupid it implants chips in you) to attack and criticize each other.

 

[crossfire]

Well... maybe we are different in Florida... do they have helicopters there that transports people? Or, on a more logical position, do they have ambulances and more than one hospital? I would assume if they have been waiting for days, pretty much any hospital in the whole of the US could be reached by ambulance, let alone by helicopter.

Here's an article from 5 days ago regarding the availability of ICU beds in Texas hospitals:
Texas hospitals struggling with lack of ICU beds, nurses | khou.com

headline:
Only 27 ICU beds available for 6.6 million people in Greater Houston Area; state says total of 329 in Texas

 

[Debater Slayer]

...what's the immediate solution?

Vaccinating the world won't make covid disappear overnight. Without compromising who is more critically ill (who needs a bed), how would we address it?

I don't know whether there are any immediate or easy solutions. Vaccinating the world wouldn't make COVID disappear overnight, but it would significantly reduce the number of severely ill and hospitalized patients. As things stand, I think encouraging vaccine uptake as much as possible is our best way of getting past the most destructive aspects of the pandemic in as little time as possible given the circumstances.

I'm undecided on whether or not vaccines should be mandatory in some areas with particularly large numbers of COVID deaths and severely ill COVID patients. Ideally, people would opt to get vaccinated on their own and, if not, they could at least get sufficient medical care if need be without overwhelming the medical infrastructure. But since reality is clearly different in many places, I find myself wondering whether governments should just mandate vaccines and avoid these deeply unfortunate situations altogether.

Mask mandates and lockdowns also help to slow down the rate of infections so that the medical infrastructure doesn't get overwhelmed, but in the long term, lockdowns aren't economically sustainable, and they can also lead to mental health complications for some people. All of this seems to me to further underline the significance of vaccination as the best long-term solution we have right now.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I think it would be mandatory to operate on a person who has been shot six times.

Okay, fine. So who are you taking those surgical resources away from? That's the trick, really. Resources are always limited (never infinite). And that requires that you make choices.

Would you like to do the triage in such a situation?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I don't know whether there are any immediate or easy solutions. Vaccinating the world wouldn't make COVID disappear overnight, but it would significantly reduce the number of severely ill and hospitalized patients. As things stand, I think encouraging vaccine uptake as much as possible is our best way of getting past the most destructive aspects of the pandemic in as little time as possible given the circumstances.

How do we know of breakthroughs won't surpass present vaccine effectiveness? It's ideal that hospitalizations will slow but I don't see vaxing as a catch solution for a hospital crisis is unrealistic.

I'm undecided on whether or not vaccines should be mandatory in some areas with particularly large numbers of COVID deaths and severely ill COVID patients. Ideally, people would opt to get vaccinated on their own and, if not, they could at least get sufficient medical care if need be without overwhelming the medical infrastructure. But since reality is clearly different in many places, I find myself wondering whether governments should just mandate vaccines and avoid these deeply unfortunate situations altogether.

I feel the mandate would backfire.

Mask mandates and lockdowns also help to slow down the rate of infections so that the medical infrastructure doesn't get overwhelmed, but in the long term, lockdowns aren't economically sustainable, and they can also lead to mental health complications for some people. All of this seems to me to further underline the significance of vaccination as the best long-term solution we have right now.

If vaccination worked overnight and we had a better odds of success than riding curves, I think many would agree to vaccinate. There is so much vagueness in outcome Im not surprised why the minority would rather wait and see.


I'm wondering if all COVID patients on these hospital beds are in critical condition. They can't turn patients away if there is a bed available so I wonder if it is Just COVID patients or are they highlighting it to encourage vaccination.

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

A man who was shot six times has been waiting about a week to have surgery due to the hospital's being overwhelmed with COVID-19 cases:



A Texas hospital is so overwhelmed with COVID-19 cases that a man shot six times has waited a week for surgery

In my opinion, cases like this are among multiple reasons a case could arguably be made for mandatory COVID-19 vaccination in areas with a particularly high number of infections and resultant hospitalizations.

I surely agree with you completely.

Been speaking about this exact problem for a while now, but there is a lot of resistance out there to do the right thing.

Very sad situation.

 

[Jeremiah Ames]

Okay, fine. So who are you taking those surgical resources away from? That's the trick, really. Resources are always limited (never infinite). And that requires that you make choices.

Would you like to do the triage in such a situation?

Uh huh, sure.

ICU s generally have many beds.

I have been in three ICUs the past 5 years, not for me, but for other people.
All the times, there were more beds open than being used.

These are unusual times.

 

[crossfire]

Or at the very least, expose the Governor's ineptitude there for Banning Facemask Mandates.

Redaction:
OK, in all fairness: After reading Governor Abbott's Executive Orders, it appears that the banning of facemask mandates only applies to government mandates. It looks like individual businesses can still require customers to mask up. There was some ambiguous wording in one of the executive orders that made it look like private businesses could be fined up to $1000 for requiring customers and employees to wear facemasks, but it appears that private businesses are still free to choose whether to require customers to mask up or not. It looks might private businesses might get in trouble (and fined) for mandating vaccination records/passports, though.

 

[We Never Know]

Okay, fine. So who are you taking those surgical resources away from? That's the trick, really. Resources are always limited (never infinite). And that requires that you make choices.

Would you like to do the triage in such a situation?

Most hospitals have ER teams, surgically teams, ICU teams, etc.(teams=staff)
So unless they are using their surgically staff to cover for staff caring for covid patients, there is no taking away. And I also doubt surgeon's are working in ICU with covid patients.

 

[Twilight Hue]

It reminds me of trying to get "like-points" to confirm if they are not with us they're against us. If someone changed their mind to vaccinate after saying they would, they'd probably be shunned. I will be honest. Sounds like cult mentality.

It's this, " I'm going to 'guilt' you trend or fad that some people get hung on doing.

 

[sun rise]

I think it would be mandatory to operate on a person who has been shot six times.

Nope. He was triaged due to lack of resources.

 

[We Never Know]

Nope. He was triaged due to lack of resources.

Everyone going into a ER is triaged.

 

[sun rise]

That and hospitals can't turn people away. Sometimes if I have a seizure I tell ER not to take me to the hospital. If I do go I'm there for an hour wasting a bed someone else could have. There are a lot of reasons why beds aren't free but ideally severity comes first not whether you're a COVID patient or not.

Sure hospitals can turn people away if they're full. It already happened to a child with COVID

Baby girl with seizures airlifted 150 miles because of houston hospital bed shortage - CNN

 

[sun rise]

Everyone going into a ER is triaged.

Sigh. You did not like the way I wrote that sentence.

 

[sun rise]

...what's the immediate solution?

Vaccinating the world won't make covid disappear overnight. Without compromising who is more critically ill (who needs a bed), how would we address it?

Those that are vaccinated are MUCH less likely to wind up in the hospital. That's the point.

 

[We Never Know]

Sigh. You did not like the way I wrote that sentence.

"He was triaged due to lack of resources"

Lack of resources or plenty of resources, everyone is triaged.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Sure hospitals can turn people away if they're full. It already happened to a child with COVID

Baby girl with seizures airlifted 150 miles because of houston hospital bed shortage - CNN

By priority. Like here there told people they strongly recommend not going to the ER unless it's an emergency. But they won't know if it wasn't unless they went.

Turn down as in deny medical treatment.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Those that are vaccinated are MUCH less likely to wind up in the hospital. That's the point.

The solution?