Mandatory Vaccinations?

[Unveiled Artist]

What exactly do you all mean when you say 'mandatory vaccination?' Are you referring to some government agency kicking in your door and sticking a needle in your arm, or something else?

Mandating vaccination to go in businesses, hold social functions, etc. It is one of many incentives to get people vaccinated. People will be forced to get vaccinated if they want to do anything. So far US states are against it (in form of vaccine passports) but I think after all the news, commercials, etc saying "don't listen to X get the vaccine" It'll probably happen.

I don't know if other countries though.

 

[Jose Fly]

A conservative talk-show host who said 'you're probably safer not getting' the vaccine is now seriously ill with COVID-19, and his family is asking people to 'PLEASE GO GET VACCINATED!' (msn.com)

A conservative radio talk-show host who had told followers that they were "probably safer not getting" the COVID-19 vaccine if they weren't at high risk is now hospitalized in serious condition with the coronavirus, his family said.

Phil Valentine, who hosts "The Phil Valentine Show" on WWTN-FM in Nashville, Tennessee, contracted COVID-19 more than a week ago and "has since been hospitalized & is in very serious condition," his family said in a statement on Thursday.

Valentine, 61, is "suffering from COVID pneumonia and the attendant side effects," the statement said, adding, "He is in the hospital in the critical care unit breathing with assistance but is NOT on a ventilator."

Now that he's become ill with the coronavirus, he has "regrets" about his comments about the vaccines, his family said.

"Phil would like for his listeners to know that while he has never been an 'anti-vaxer' he regrets not being more vehemently 'Pro-Vaccine', and looks forward to being able to more vigorously advocate that position as soon as he is back on the air, which we all hope will be soon," the family said.​

I have zero sympathy for this guy and others like him; I'm not hoping for a bad outcome either, I just don't care one way or the other.

 

[We Never Know]

I suggest you read and try to understand the article you posted. If you had read and understood it, you wouldn't have made the above comment.

I read it and understood it well. Emegercy use isn't fully approved. The FDA wants longer studies before they will fully approve them.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Everyday there are more break through cases.(given most are not as severe but some are)
Every several months there is another side effect. (Whats there been around 5 now?)

Yet you want it mandatory for a drug that isnt even fully FDA approved

Then when you brought up drugs used in other countries and I replied with "they aren't mandatory" you replied with ..."
Well, no. That's a given--and rather obvious--if it doesn't have FDA approval.
The point was there can be sufficient evidence but for one reason or another FDA approval is not granted."

Again in my opinion until they are fully FDA approved the vaccine's should be voluntarily.

Can they legally make mandatory without FDA approval?

 

[We Never Know]

Can they legally make mandatory without FDA approval?

I don't know. I haven't researched that. I may this weekend if I have time.

 

[We Never Know]

Can they legally make mandatory without FDA approval?

Just off the top off my head I would think it would be legal for an employer to mandate the vaccine. It would be a choice, if you want to work here get vaccinated or don't work here, the choice is yours.
Kind of like schools requiring kids that attend to be up to date on their vaccines or you cant come to school. That's a choice.

As for the general public, I would have to look into that and probably wouldn't find a very clear answer.

 

[We Never Know]

Can they legally make mandatory without FDA approval?

Im curious how HIPPA will look at it.
If a place requires a vaccine to work there, then everyone in the public, will know that anyone that works there took the vaccine.

 

[Revoltingest]

Just off the top off my head I would think it would be legal for an employer to mandate the vaccine. It would be a choice, if you want to work here get vaccinated or don't work here, the choice is yours.
Kind of like schools requiring kids that attend to be up to date on their vaccines or you cant come to school. That's a choice.

As for the general public, I would have to look into that and probably wouldn't find a very clear answer.

Practically speaking (ie, current & future legal environments),
an employer must be very careful to accommodate (if reasonable)
some anti-vax employees.

 

[We Never Know]

Practically speaking (ie, current & future legal environments),
an employer must be very careful to accommodate (if reasonable)
some anti-vax employees.

I just read that in an article.

 

[We Never Know]

Practically speaking (ie, current & future legal environments),
an employer must be very careful to accommodate (if reasonable)
some anti-vax employees.

It's more for people who can't be vaccinated(health reasons, etc) though from what I read.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's more for people who can't be vaccinated(health reasons, etc) though from what I read.

Religion will be a factor.

Many people talk of "unregulated capitalism", yet we
can't even give anti-vaxers the boot without risking
paying damages in court.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Im curious how HIPPA will look at it.
If a place requires a vaccine to work there, then everyone in the public, will know that anyone that works there took the vaccine.

Unless maybe they say "COVID free facility" or "this business requires it's employees vaccination". I've seen similar signs without revealing confidentiality of employees.

I work in a independent living complex and we can't ask and tell people whether or not employees are vaccinated and can't confirm that it's a "covid free" complex. My boss doesn't want to vaccinate but I can't say anything given the government, health, safety issue.

It's not a medical facility but I'd assume those under HIPPA would have similar edicts. Educated guess.

 

[We Never Know]

Unless maybe they say "COVID free facility" or "this business requires it's employees vaccination". I've seen similar signs without revealing confidentiality of employees.

I work in a independent living complex and we can't ask and tell people whether or not employees are vaccinated and can't confirm that it's a "covid free" complex. My boss doesn't want to vaccinate but I can't say anything given the government, health, safety issue.

It's not a medical facility but I'd assume those under HIPPA would have similar edicts. Educated guess.

But if the medical facility or business makes the vaccine mandatory, required to work there, then everyone, including the public will know everyone working there will have been vaccinated.(except for some who cant be because of medical reasons)..

 

[We Never Know]

Unless maybe they say "COVID free facility" or "this business requires it's employees vaccination". I've seen similar signs without revealing confidentiality of employees.

I work in a independent living complex and we can't ask and tell people whether or not employees are vaccinated and can't confirm that it's a "covid free" complex. My boss doesn't want to vaccinate but I can't say anything given the government, health, safety issue.

It's not a medical facility but I'd assume those under HIPPA would have similar edicts. Educated guess.

Let me add some have already made it publicly known that the vaccine is now mandatory for current and future employees. If not they cant work there.

Mercy is one I can think of off the top of my head

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Let me add some have already made it publicly known that the vaccine is now mandatory for current and future employees. If not they cant work there.

Mercy is one I can think of off the top of my head

Here some universities made it mandatory. So I assume if a student doesn't want to vaccinate they'd fail and have to pay back their loans. Most schools are waiting for the FDA signal so read recently. I take classes online but I can't imagine the minority needing to take the vaccine to finish college. It's not a huge loss if any to vaccinate but it's the principle.

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What Colleges Require the COVID-19 Vaccine? | BestColleges

 

[SomeRandom]

I read it and understood it well. Emegercy use isn't fully approved. The FDA wants longer studies before they will fully approve them.

Forgive me for being a bit tangential. But I’ve always wondered
How high is the standards of your FDA? I assume they are fairly strict.
I just mean what you guys approve takes a lot longer (and minor sometimes major changes in “recipes”) in my country. I’m just curious as to why that may be.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Forgive me for being a bit tangential. But I’ve always wondered
How high is the standards of your FDA? I assume they are fairly strict.
I just mean what you guys approve takes a lot longer (and minor sometimes major changes in “recipes”) in my country. I’m just curious as to why that may be.

Historically, our FDA is way more conservative than equivalent European agencies.

 

[SomeRandom]

Historically, our FDA is way more conservative than equivalent European agencies.

Oh. Why does that affect it?
You know what I mean

 

[Wandering Monk]

I read it and understood it well. Emegercy use isn't fully approved. The FDA wants longer studies before they will fully approve them.

Nothing was skipped in the EUA. All three phases of testing data was reviewed as it came in rather than waiting for it all to be done.

Also, mRNA vaccines are quicker to produce.

 

[We Never Know]

Nothing was skipped in the EUA. All three phases of testing data was reviewed as it came in rather than waiting for it all to be done.

Also, mRNA vaccines are quicker to produce.

That doesn't change this. .."Emegercy use isn't fully approved. The FDA wants longer studies before they will fully approve them.