Mandatory Vaccinations?

[Unveiled Artist]

Here's why...
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I wouldn't want any of those 8,364 views to rely on your comments when I have a chance to correct them.



Nah. If you had been burned at the stake, you wouldn't be here posting about reasons to not get vaccinated.



Have these governors written papers on the subject or have they given out soundbites? Do these governors have any higher education in the field of viral infections? No?







YouTube huh. Does the author have any higher education in the field of viral infections? You don't know? Hmm.





ETA: You can find a lot of things on YouTube.

This one says vaccines are poisonous. Do you believe that?

Ok

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Some of us, the vaccinated ones, are at much less risk than the people still making excuses to stay vulnerable.

That exactly!

 

[We Never Know]

That exactly!

Why do you think its ok to force people to take medicine(the vaccine) that hasn't even been fully approved by the FDA yet?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Why do you think its ok to force people to take medicine(the vaccine) that hasn't even been fully approved by the FDA yet?

Because it has demonstrated itself to be very safe. And at this point it is a collective need on all levels. Government functions, social functions, even the economy depends on people getting vaccinated.

 

[We Never Know]

Because it has demonstrated itself to be very safe. And at this point it is a collective need on all levels. Government functions, social functions, even the economy depends on people getting vaccinated.

Technically its still in experimental stages and being studied, not fully FDA approved so it should not be forced upon anyone.

Why haven’t the vaccines available in the United States been approved yet?
All three vaccines have been given an emergency use authorization (EUA), which FDA offers during crises as a quick way to give people access to potentially lifesaving medicines. In the past, EUAs have typically been used for drugs during “very catastrophic, immediate circumstances, like an anthrax attack,” says Jesse Goodman, a former chief scientist at FDA who’s now at Georgetown University. The COVID-19 pandemic marks the first time EUAs have been granted for new vaccines.

To receive an EUA, vaccine manufacturers had to follow a special set of guidelines that asked for safety and efficacy data from clinical trials involving tens of thousands of participants, as well as information on vaccines’ quality and consistency. Pfizer and Moderna both received an EUA in December 2020; J&J’s came in February. Based on the real-world data they have collected since then, Pfizer applied to FDA for full approval in early May, and Moderna on 1 June. J&J is expected to follow soon.

What’s the difference between full approval and an EUA?
It’s one of scale. FDA will review much more data, covering a longer period of time, before granting full approval. “It’s not a huge difference, but it is a real difference,” Goodman says. The agency will analyze additional clinical trial data and consider real-world data on effectiveness and safety. It will inspect manufacturing facilities and make sure quality control is very strict. “It’s an exhaustive review,” Goodman says.

FDA is already familiar with much of the data, however, for instance on the very rare side effects caused by the J&J and Pfizer vaccines that didn’t show up in clinical trials.

When might the vaccines be approved?
On 16 July, FDA accepted Pfizer’s application “under priority review”—meaning it will move faster than during standard reviews, which typically take at least 10 months; the agency now has until January 2022 to review the materials. That seems like a long time, but last week an FDA official told CNN that the decision is likely to come within 2 months. “The review … has been ongoing, is among the highest priorities of the agency, and the agency intends to complete the review far in advance of the [January] Date,” an FDA press officer confirmed to Science in a statement.

FDA has not formally accepted Moderna’s application, possibly because the company has not yet submitted all the required materials.

When will COVID-19 vaccines be fully approved—and does it matter whether they are?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Technically its still in experimental stages and being studied, not fully FDA approved so it should not be forced upon anyone.

Is a literal world of evidence not enough?

 

[We Never Know]

Is a literal world of evidence not enough?

Evidently there isn't enough or they would have full FDA approval.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Why do you think its ok to force people to take medicine(the vaccine) that hasn't even been fully approved by the FDA yet?

Its never okay to force, and here is something I read about it a week back.

All vaccines follow the same testing processes, whether they are approved for emergency use or through a typical license.

Clinical trials are conducted in three phases.

In Phase 1, the vaccine is given to a small number of generally healthy people to assess its safety and effectiveness.
In Phase 2, the vaccine is given to hundreds of people with different health conditions and from diverse demographic groups.
In Phase 3, the vaccine is administered to thousands of people across demographic groups and immune responses are compared against placebos, which are doses that don’t contain any of the vaccine and are used for testing purposes only.
Once Phase 3 trials are complete, the FDA reviews the data to determine whether the vaccine works and is safe. If so, the manufacturer files for approval.

This is where the process may change due to a public health emergency, such as the COVID-19 pandemic.

Usually, the manufacturer would apply for a Biologics License Application (BLA). If the FDA determines that the vaccine is safe, works and that manufacturing can be done safely and consistently, it will grant a license for the vaccine.

In a public health emergency, manufacturing may occur while vaccines are still in development, rather than after approval. These efforts happen simultaneously, and instead of filing for a BLA, the manufacturer files for Emergency Use Authorization.

If the benefits outweigh any possible risks of the vaccine and manufacturing quality can be ensured, the FDA will approve the vaccine for emergency use.

Emergency use authorizations are an important part in addressing public health emergencies and ending the COVID-19 pandemic.

What's the Difference Between FDA Emergency Use Authorization and FDA Approval? - UNC Health Covid-19 Vaccine Hub

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Technically its still in experimental stages and being studied, not fully FDA approved so it should not be forced upon anyone.

Why haven’t the vaccines available in the United States been approved yet?
All three vaccines have been given an emergency use authorization (EUA), which FDA offers during crises as a quick way to give people access to potentially lifesaving medicines. In the past, EUAs have typically been used for drugs during “very catastrophic, immediate circumstances, like an anthrax attack,” says Jesse Goodman, a former chief scientist at FDA who’s now at Georgetown University. The COVID-19 pandemic marks the first time EUAs have been granted for new vaccines.

To receive an EUA, vaccine manufacturers had to follow a special set of guidelines that asked for safety and efficacy data from clinical trials involving tens of thousands of participants, as well as information on vaccines’ quality and consistency. Pfizer and Moderna both received an EUA in December 2020; J&J’s came in February. Based on the real-world data they have collected since then, Pfizer applied to FDA for full approval in early May, and Moderna on 1 June. J&J is expected to follow soon.

What’s the difference between full approval and an EUA?
It’s one of scale. FDA will review much more data, covering a longer period of time, before granting full approval. “It’s not a huge difference, but it is a real difference,” Goodman says. The agency will analyze additional clinical trial data and consider real-world data on effectiveness and safety. It will inspect manufacturing facilities and make sure quality control is very strict. “It’s an exhaustive review,” Goodman says.

FDA is already familiar with much of the data, however, for instance on the very rare side effects caused by the J&J and Pfizer vaccines that didn’t show up in clinical trials.

When might the vaccines be approved?
On 16 July, FDA accepted Pfizer’s application “under priority review”—meaning it will move faster than during standard reviews, which typically take at least 10 months; the agency now has until January 2022 to review the materials. That seems like a long time, but last week an FDA official told CNN that the decision is likely to come within 2 months. “The review … has been ongoing, is among the highest priorities of the agency, and the agency intends to complete the review far in advance of the [January] Date,” an FDA press officer confirmed to Science in a statement.

FDA has not formally accepted Moderna’s application, possibly because the company has not yet submitted all the required materials.

When will COVID-19 vaccines be fully approved—and does it matter whether they are?

Spoke too soon

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Evidently there isn't enough or they would have full FDA approval.

Not necessarily. Lots of drugs are used around the world but not here because they lack FDA approval. These drugs are safe, effective, and typically much cheaper, there is plenty there, but they aren't available here because they lack FDA approval (they're also why we don't have fresh, unpasteurized cheese here, unless it's aged).
Literally, we have world full of studies and evidence at this point.

 

[We Never Know]

Not necessarily. Lots of drugs are used around the world but not here because they lack FDA approval. These drugs are safe, effective, and typically much cheaper, there is plenty there, but they aren't available here because they lack FDA approval (they're also why we don't have fresh, unpasteurized cheese here, unless it's aged).
Literally, we have world full of studies and evidence at this point.

Those drugs aren't mandatory either.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Those drugs aren't mandatory either.

Well, no. That's a given--and rather obvious--if it doesn't have FDA approval.
The point was there can be sufficient evidence but for one reason or another FDA approval is not granted.

 

[We Never Know]

Well, no. That's a given--and rather obvious--if it doesn't have FDA approval.
The point was there can be sufficient evidence but for one reason or another FDA approval is not granted.

"That's a given--and rather obvious--if it doesn't have FDA approval."

Yet you are for mandatory vaccines that don't have full FDA approval. .

 

[Shadow Wolf]

"That's a given--and rather obvious--if it doesn't have FDA approval."

Yet you are for mandatory vaccines that don't have full FDA approval. .

Because they're working, the risks of side effects heavily outweigh the risks of covid, and it's only way we're getting beyond this. Where people aren't vaccinating hospitals are filling up and running out of ventilators and ICU beds yet again. Except this time it's something like 98% of hospitalizations are those who are not vaccinated with over 99% of deaths being the unvaccinated. Places like Missouri are facing a very stressed healthcare system because of the unvaccinated.
Not masking and not getting vaccinated really is like drunk driving and second hand smoke, except covid is way deadlier than either.

 

[We Never Know]

Because they're working, the risks of side effects heavily outweigh the risks of covid, and it's only way we're getting beyond this. Where people aren't vaccinating hospitals are filling up and running out of ventilators and ICU beds yet again. Except this time it's something like 98% of hospitalizations are those who are not vaccinated with over 99% of deaths being the unvaccinated. Places like Missouri are facing a very stressed healthcare system because of the unvaccinated.
Not masking and not getting vaccinated really is like drunk driving and second hand smoke, except covid is way deadlier than either.

Everyday there are more break through cases.(given most are not as severe but some are)
Every several months there is another side effect. (Whats there been around 5 now?)

Yet you want it mandatory for a drug that isnt even fully FDA approved

Then when you brought up drugs used in other countries and I replied with "they aren't mandatory" you replied with ..."
Well, no. That's a given--and rather obvious--if it doesn't have FDA approval.
The point was there can be sufficient evidence but for one reason or another FDA approval is not granted."

Again in my opinion until they are fully FDA approved the vaccine's should be voluntarily.

 

[We Never Know]

Because they're working, the risks of side effects heavily outweigh the risks of covid, and it's only way we're getting beyond this. Where people aren't vaccinating hospitals are filling up and running out of ventilators and ICU beds yet again. Except this time it's something like 98% of hospitalizations are those who are not vaccinated with over 99% of deaths being the unvaccinated. Places like Missouri are facing a very stressed healthcare system because of the unvaccinated.
Not masking and not getting vaccinated really is like drunk driving and second hand smoke, except covid is way deadlier than either.

FYI.... If you or others don't mind trying experimental drugs, there is a company that will pay you for your participation in drug trials. Sometimes up to and over $6,000.

They have locations in several states and countries.
QPS Locations - QPS Custom-Built Research Services

 

[metis]

The FDA is a governmental bureaucracy, so the implications of this should be obvious.

To put it another way, the fight is between "time" and "life". "Time" because the FDA is very cautious, which is a good thing as far as it goes. But there's also the factor of "life" itself, and as far as I'm concerned it's this that's most important because the vaccines are very effective in preventing death and serious illness even if they're not 100%.

Thus, to put it in brief terms, I choose life.

 

[Wandering Monk]

What exactly do you all mean when you say 'mandatory vaccination?' Are you referring to some government agency kicking in your door and sticking a needle in your arm, or something else?

 

[ecco]

Why do you think its ok to force people to take medicine(the vaccine) that hasn't even been fully approved by the FDA yet?

So, instead of taking the advice of the FDA which approved the vaccines on an emergency use basis, you are going to wait for that same agency to process the vaccines using decades-old bureaucratic red tape procedures.

I didn't know you were such a fan of red tape.

However, in July 2021, people should be intelligent enough to make decisions on the facts about the safety of the vaccines based on publically available information:

How many deaths from COVID vaccines?
How many deaths among unvaccinated?

How many hospitalizations from COVID vaccines?
How many hospitalizations among unvaccinated?



What excuse are you going to have when the FDA gives its full approval?

 

[ecco]

Evidently there isn't enough or they would have full FDA approval.

I suggest you read and try to understand the article you posted. If you had read and understood it, you wouldn't have made the above comment.