Mandatory Vaccinations?

[McBell]

Vaccination does not stop you getting the virus.....if it is a true vaccination, it would. Vaccines are supposed to be given to prevent infection.

Where did you get this idea from?

 

[metis]

Where did you get this idea from?

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Ah, lest you forget, JW's don't tend to much deal with science nor higher education.

 

[Deeje]

I see a very different picture from this, & recommend
searching the internet for news of research offered by
mainstream sources, eg, Mayo Clinic, CDC.

I have no trust in mainstream medicine......sorry. IMO, it’s a profit driven juggernaut with little to recommend it as far as results are concerned. It creates drug dependent customers.....$$$$$

What else are these sources going to say? So much money has been invested in producing this vaccine that has not yet proven to be effective long term....or even short term at this point in time. Not enough time has elapsed to determine any real benefits. The hype is designed to scare people into getting a jab that may not do anything to prevent the many variants that are already here, let alone what may materialise in the future.

It’s a confidence issue for me. I simply don’t trust them not to put profit before safety. Would they talk up the vaccine to sell their product despite no real long term safety studies? I’ll let you decide that.

 

[Deeje]

Where did you get this idea from?

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Naturally acquired immunity does not need booster shots. Artificial vaccinations do....it must therefore produce an inferior immune response.

Since I believe that big pharma are profit driven, I am not convinced that they are interested in good health, but in ongoing “treatments” (symptom control) to guarantee that their bank balance is always healthy even if their customers are not.

‘Customers for life’ is their business practice. Serious side effects are brushed aside as a natural consequence of drug therapy, or other drugs recommended to treat the side effects.

GP’s are trained in ‘pharmacology’ by drug company funded institutions. You do the math....what ongoing “treatments” are going to be recommended?

 

[Revoltingest]

I have no trust in mainstream medicine......sorry. IMO, it’s a profit driven juggernaut with little to recommend it as far as results are concerned.

It's a juggernaut that's done well for me.
Once had a spiral fracture of the tibia?
Bone split down the middle into the joint too.
Go modern orthopedic surgery!
Oh, I also appreciate that the threat of polio
has been vanquished by greedy virologists.

 

[McBell]

Naturally acquired immunity does not need booster shots. Artificial vaccinations do....it must therefore produce an inferior immune response.

Since I believe that big pharma are profit driven, I am not convinced that they are interested in good health, but in ongoing “treatments” (symptom control) to guarantee that their bank balance is always healthy even if their customers are not.

‘Customers for life’ is their business practice. Serious side effects are brushed aside as a natural consequence of drug therapy, or other drugs recommended to treat the side effects.

GP’s are trained in ‘pharmacology’ by drug company funded institutions. You do the math....what ongoing “treatments” are going to be recommended?

That is nice and all, but what does it have to do with your fantasy land expectations of vaccines?

 

[fantome profane]

What else are these sources going to say?

This kinda makes any discussion of the issue with you pointless doesn’t it. Really, we could show you data, charts, statistics and experts, we could fill pages with reliable links and none of it would make any difference to you.

is that the situation?

 

[Deeje]

It's a juggernaut that's done well for me.
Once had a spiral fracture of the tibia?
Bone split down the middle into the joint too.
Go modern orthopedic surgery!

Fixing broken bones is one thing....emergency surgery too has its place, but that doesn't mean I have to trust all branches of medicine......filling your body with artificial chemicals, which it was never designed to accommodate, is one branch of medicine that I do not trust.....multiple vaccinations of very young children is another.

It is the 'pharmacology' mind set that I have issues with. The fact that GP's will reach for the prescription pad to fix your symptoms, but not actually fix what's wrong with you is the worry.The fact that vaccines for multiple viruses are given all at once to infants with underdeveloped immune systems is appalling to me. When do we ever hear of people getting multiple viruses like measles, mumps and rubella all at once? The body would not cope.

I would go to a doctor with a broken bone or for emergency surgery if it was warranted.....but for other health issues, I seek natural medicine because I find it works for me with no side effects. Which means that my body is not fighting against the treatment. Why would I choose something that didn't work, but only made me sicker?

Oh, I also appreciate that the threat of polio has been vanquished by greedy virologists.

Virologists are the ones who engineer these viruses in the first place. Why do you think they publish papers and such on their work, if not to gain accolades for their research and the funding that goes with it? The Wuhan Virology Lab is thought to be the source of the Covid 19 outbreak because its head scientist had ten years working on bat to human transmission of viruses and had published papers on it. Its all denied of course, but that alters nothing IMO.

Don't get me wrong....there are many dedicated people in medicine, but all are trained at the same institutions. What if the doctors are as brainwashed as the public? Follow the money trail.

I think you'll find that improving the post war diet also had a bearing on making children less susceptible to polio as well. I remember getting the jab as a kid for polio, and then came the Salk vaccine which was a few drops of a sweet pink liquid on your tongue.....how did that work I wonder?

 

[Deeje]

This kinda makes any discussion of the issue with you pointless doesn’t it. Really, we could show you data, charts, statistics and experts, we could fill pages with reliable links and none of it would make any difference to you.

is that the situation?

I guess it is the same with you...only in reverse....you think I have done no research? It probably wasn't the kind that you would prefer to consult....its the sources of your data that I question, along with their heavily promoting something that is clearly financially motivated....Greed never leads to anything good in my experience.

 

[Deeje]

That is nice and all, but what does it have to do with your fantasy land expectations of vaccines?

Is it too much to expect them to work, and to have undergone extensive testing to document the efficacy? Once its in, that's it....too late to say "sorry, we didn't test for that". You can't undo a vaccination.

 

[fantome profane]

I guess it is the same with you...only in reverse....you think I have done no research? It probably wasn't the kind that you would prefer to consult....its the sources of your data that I question, along with their heavily promoting something that is clearly financially motivated....Greed never leads to anything good in my experience.

So discussing this is pointless.

 

[Deeje]

So discussing this is pointless.

If you mean "can you convince me against my will?"....the same applies in both directions. You do whatever suits you, and I will wait and see what eventuates......like I said....you can't undo a vaccine. Its not a drug that you can stop and have your system eliminate it through its waste disposal.......it is a living biologically altered substance that stays in your blood stream forever. Think about that for a moment......and the 'what ifs' that go with that realization.

 

[oldbadger]

While this will likely go to court experts seem to think that requiring vaccinations for employment at a given place will be legal. Does this only affect hospitals and healthcare workers or is this a universal option? Should an employer be able to fire you based on your vaccination status?

Where I live employers can require employees to work within all 'Health and Safety at Work' legislation.
Examples?
All employees must wear seat belts when driving company cars.
All employees must wear protective helmets when on company construction sites.
etc etc.......

And so where employees are exposed to the public, maybe a Covid vaccination is a good idea.

Those who refuse it could be removed from access to the public/customers, which might put their employments at risk.

 

[McBell]

Is it too much to expect them to work, and to have undergone extensive testing to document the efficacy? Once its in, that's it....too late to say "sorry, we didn't test for that". You can't undo a vaccination.

Your back peddling skills need some serious work.

 

[Deeje]

Your back peddling skills need some serious work.

Do your reality skills needs work as well? What is done to your body that is ‘permanent’ needs careful consideration....I have carefully considered the facts and I am not convinced of its safety or efficacy in all the existing strains......if you are, that is your decision to make.

If something has demonstrated proven efficacy over an appropriate period of time, then shaming should not have to enter into it.

 

[McBell]

Do your reality skills needs work as well? What is done to your body that is ‘permanent’ needs careful consideration....I have carefully considered the facts and I am not convinced of its safety or efficacy in all the existing strains......if you are, that is your decision to make.

If something has demonstrated proven efficacy over an appropriate period of time, then shaming should not have to enter into it.

Again, what does all that have to do with your fantasy land idea of vaccines?

Vaccination does not stop you getting the virus.....if it is a true vaccination, it would.

You never did answer where you got that idea from.

So in reality, YOU have been blatantly avoiding my rather direct question.
Perhaps you can get around to it sometime?

 

[Koldo]

Is it too much to expect them to work, and to have undergone extensive testing to document the efficacy? Once its in, that's it....too late to say "sorry, we didn't test for that". You can't undo a vaccination.

Is it reasonable though to assume that the vaccines will eventually trigger a side effect that will be worse than the current death rates of Covid-19? If yes, how did you reach this conclusion?

 

[Deeje]

Again, what does all that have to do with your fantasy land idea of vaccines?

From health authorities who promote the idea that vaccinations are the answer to everything.
Vaccine injury is also very real, as you can see from my previous post #127.

You never did answer where you got that idea from.

From what I have read on any Google search. The vaccine does not necessarily stop you from getting the virus; the hope is that it may stop you from dying from it. (getting a weaker dose of the disease)

"The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention also continues to recommend vaccinated people with symptoms get tested for COVID. Cases of fully vaccinated individuals contracting coronavirus are rare, but possible."
Got Symptoms? You Should Still Get Tested for COVID Even If You're Vaccinated, Expert Says

This is because, as they mention, all the data isn't in yet. There has not been time to test all possible outcomes.

So apparently, vaccinated people who imagine that they are immune and get out and about, can still spread the virus. The vaccination itself may cause a false sense of security. They simply don't know the full range of what they are dealing with at this point in the pandemic....and the variants are a constant worry.

I will wait and see, whilst taking all the necessary precautions. I have no desire to put anyone at risk, including myself.
Is that clear enough?

So in reality, YOU have been blatantly avoiding my rather direct question.
Perhaps you can get around to it sometime?

Perhaps you need to frame your questions a little more succinctly....?

 

[Deeje]

Is it reasonable though to assume that the vaccines will eventually trigger a side effect that will be worse than the current death rates of Covid-19? If yes, how did you reach this conclusion?

Vaccinations are not without their own history of bad outcomes. See Mandatory Vaccinations?

 

[McBell]

From health authorities who promote the idea that vaccinations are the answer to everything.
Vaccine injury is also very real, as you can see from my previous post #127.


From what I have read on any Google search. The vaccine does not necessarily stop you from getting the virus; the hope is that it may stop you from dying from it. (getting a weaker dose of the disease)

"The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention also continues to recommend vaccinated people with symptoms get tested for COVID. Cases of fully vaccinated individuals contracting coronavirus are rare, but possible."
Got Symptoms? You Should Still Get Tested for COVID Even If You're Vaccinated, Expert Says

This is because, as they mention, all the data isn't in yet. There has not been time to test all possible outcomes.

So apparently, vaccinated people who imagine that they are immune and get out and about, can still spread the virus. The vaccination itself may cause a false sense of security. They simply don't know the full range of what they are dealing with at this point in the pandemic....and the variants are a constant worry.

I will wait and see, whilst taking all the necessary precautions. I have no desire to put anyone at risk, including myself.
Is that clear enough?


Perhaps you need to frame your questions a little more succinctly....?

Where did you get the idea that "true" vaccines stop you from catching the whatever?

I mean, so far that claim is nothing more than a strawman for you to whoop up on.
Perhaps if you were to stop trying to preach the "wrongs of medicine" and address the actual question...