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Man's Interpretation

InfidelRiot

Active Member
But does it mean that we should disregard human history?

It means one should always question what one is taught to believe, even history that is written and recorded by those in power at the time, than to blindly place one's faith in a belief.
 

Hawkins

Well-Known Member
It means one should always question what one is taught to believe, even history that is written and recorded by those in power at the time, than to blindly place one's faith in a belief.

You made the wrong assumption that Christianity is not questioned. In fact, Christianity is questioned on a daily basis. Just take a look around these forums.

So you choose to disbelieve because Christianity is not questioned enough?

Let me tell you this, NT is under the witness of those who claimed to directly watched what happened. And 10 out of the twelve legitimate direct witnesses died for this cause. No one would like to die for their own lies. So do try to frame it as blindness faith. It remains your own faith to say so.
 
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Hawkins

Well-Known Member
I do not believe in the judeo-christian god for the reason that there is no proof of his existence.

All religions have no proof. That's why they are called religions. On the other hand, everyone (including you) has a religion, a religion about what would happen after death. Your religion is a preference to believe that none would happen after death. You believe so because you trust that the absence of evidence is the evidence of absence, which unfortunately is a fallacy.
 

InfidelRiot

Active Member
All religion has no proof. That's why they are called religions. On the other hand, everyone (including you) has a religion, a religion about what would happen after death.

I am non-religious, and nothing happens after death. I simply cease to exist.
 

InfidelRiot

Active Member
That's exactly your faith and your religion. There's no proof of that. You don't have the self-awareness to realize the your post above is a faith statement.

Certain criteria have to be met for something to be considered a religion. Atheism is not a religion.
 

Hawkins

Well-Known Member
Certain criteria have to be met for something to be considered a religion. Atheism is not a religion.

Your belief that nothing would happen after death is a faith-based belief shared by a group of humans like you. It is thus a religion from this perspective.
 
Human imperfection will not hinder the purpose of the Bible. Thus the Bible is perfect in serving its unique purpose, which is to allow His sheep to be saved but not the goats nor the wolves.
Actually, the sheep end up in the same place as the goats and wolves, so surely the sheep would hope it's a happy one:
"The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them." (Isaiah 11:6)

"'The wolf and the lamb will graze together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox; and dust will be the serpent's food. They will do no evil or harm in all My holy mountain,' says the LORD." (Isaiah 65:25)
It's also important to remember that it wasn't the wolves or the goats that went astray, but rather the sheep who did (see 1 Peter 2:25, Isaiah 53:6, Psalm 119:176) :)
 

InfidelRiot

Active Member
Your belief that nothing would happen after death is a faith-based belief shared by a group of humans like you. It is thus a religion from this perspective.

It is in no way faith based, because it takes absolutely no faith to know that nothing happens after death. Man only needs faith to believe that something will happen after death, because there is no proof that anything does happen after death. If you are going to claim that everyone must have faith for everything that cannot be seen that man has created with his imagination, then everyone must have faith that the invisible pink unicorn exists even though there is no proof of it's existence. That is flawed logic, to which believers tend to adhere reverently.
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
Your belief that nothing would happen after death is a faith-based belief shared by a group of humans like you. It is thus a religion from this perspective.

there is no dogma in atheism...

i hope in trust...which is a desire for things to happen knowing fully that they may not...

i don't trust in hope...which is a desire for things to happen while expecting for those things to happen...religious faith
 
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paarsurrey

Veteran Member
there is no dogma in atheism...

i hope in trust...which is a desire for things to happen knowing fully that they may not...

i don't trust in hope...which is a desire for things to happen while expecting for those things to happen...religious faith

Not to believe in the one true attributive creator God is itself a dogma to which all atheists/agnostics/skeptics cling to without any valid reasons, proofs and evidences at hand, in my opinion.
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
If biblical scripture means what it means, why is man divided on its interpretation?

If the bible is divinely inspired and god meant exactly what he meant, then why is it that man has to interpret what god meant?

Because interpretation is the only way we have of perceiving anything, and man's divided on the interpretations because none of us perceive anything in exactly the same way.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
If biblical scripture means what it means, why is man divided on its interpretation?

If the bible is divinely inspired and god meant exactly what he meant, then why is it that man has to interpret what god meant?

It's called misunderstanding. It happens to people who know each other very well. Even married couples can misunderstand intention.

The Bible is written in an ancient language. It is bound to happen.
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
It's called misunderstanding. It happens to people who know each other very well. Even married couples can misunderstand intention.

The Bible is written in an ancient language. It is bound to happen.

which begs the question...
why is god so limited in representing who god is?

a wall speaks loud and clear, as well as directions on a map.

god, not so much.
 

InfidelRiot

Active Member
which begs the question...
why is god so limited in representing who god is?

a wall speaks loud and clear, as well as directions on a map.

god, not so much.

If a wall speaks according to your perceptions, then you're no better off than those who claim to hear the divinity of god.
 
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