Mary mother of God

[Unification]

okay...<insert head bang icon...if I knew how to do that> Why do some feel a point is made by turning Bible quotes into word games? Words are scribbles on a piece of paper, their meaning is far more than the scribble used.
My family has a TRADITION where we say grace (a selection of prayers including the "Our Father" found in Matthew) before dinner. Is that to what Mark refers?

I know that's a beautiful tradition, as long as it is in pureness and genuine of heart.

 

[Unification]

Hahaha! I've done the same on more than one occasion. I've posted to myself. It's really not too different than what I do in my home on a daily basis. I talk to myself, out loud, often.

I don't think my purpose here is show you I'm right and your wrong. I know I'm probably wrong about many things. That's why I spend a lot of time studying God's word. I want to know His truth, and I want to obey Him.

I guess that's why I'm here. I want others to trust in God and not men. I fear for people, and their eternal destinies if they continue on the road they are on. I want everyone to go to heaven. God repeatedly warns us throughout the Bible that there is only one way, and that is His way.

For one arguing about the intercessor, who is inside of you.... You have mentioned the only way to the Father is the bible, making the bible your intercessor. May I suggest that if you genuinely want to appease God, and want the truth.. Meditate on the Lord, and stop placing a mere book over someone alive and active.

 

[Wharton]

Mary is the Mother of Jesus, not God.

God is a title. That title represents Father, Son and Holy Spirit. When you use the title God, you are referring to the three, the Godhead, not just Jesus alone.

So to say that Mary is the Mother of God is false. Mary is not the Father's Mother, nor is she the Holy Spirit's Mother.

It is wrong to call Mary the Mother of God. It is blasphemous!

Like so many of the titles Mary has been given by the catholic church, they are misleading, and they are false. They elevate Mary to God status. Mary, Queen of heaven, Mary, co-mediator, co-redeemer, co-advocate. Mary, Mother of God. Conveying these titles to Mary is blasphemy.

The catholic church has not honored Mary. They have exulted her, making her into a goddess. They have dishonored her. What a slap in the face to the Mother of the Messiah.

Mary, the Mother of Jesus was blessed among women. She is to be honored. She is not to be given higher status than any other christian, and most of all, she is not to be given equal status with the Godhead.

Place your trust in Jesus Christ, and learn about Him through His word. Only He can save. Mary cannot!

If Jesus is God, as you believe, then Mary is the mother of God. She is not the mother of the Trinity.

Without Mary supplying the humanity of Jesus, you have no mediator, no redeemer, and no advocate.

As far as Queen of heaven, that goes back to Jesus being king. Mary would be the Queen Mother. It's kind of medieval but an accurate description.

 

[chlotilde]

I have a question for you. In your own words, can you tell me how you worship God. In other words, what particular acts do you perform to worship Him? In your view, what constitues worship?

ha, I am probably the worst person to ask that of because I fall short of everyone's expectations. I debated writing some long boring response including my history of how I got here to catholicism.... or a quick and short one. I'm opting for the short one, (cause who wants to be bored) lol. How do I love thee, let me count the ways, is the real answer which would be a litany of things that are pleasing to God.

But if I had to name 2: (since it is hard for anyone to say they spend all their time thinking only of God when we have gas chromatographs to set up (work stuff) and kid's tuition to pay (home stuff)).
Make time everyday (through prayer, or research of whatever God topic is on your mind) to contemplate the almighty and your relationship with him and others, and
take time to honor (as in..give extra-special consideration to) the sacrifice he made for you ...which we do each week in Mass, (but could be done everyday if one had the time).

 

[lovemuffin]

From my experience it's silly to accuse catholics of worshipping Mary, but I will say I've never been particularly thrilled about the "co-mediatrix" language. I don't think there's anything wrong with "Mother of God" or Theotokos provided it's understood in reference to the trinitarian dogma. Mostly the accusations just misunderstand it, or try to apply a logic to it that is irrelevant to actual catholic belief.

 

[Nada]

Saying the model prayer is a Biblical tradition. It's great that your family does this. Good for you! Thumbs up!

God does not want repetitive chants or prayers.That model prayer as you refer to is not a prayer one should do over and over.It is a guide on how to pray.It does not mean to literally say those exact words every time.That would not be sincere and from the heart.That prayer just shows you how to pray.

"Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil."

So here is the format.We must acknowledge the creator,our GOD, in prayer.We must continue to wait on the arrival of His newly installed kingdom to come.We must keep asking for spiritual food.We must ask for forgiveness and ask for the help of others.We must ask God to help us in every way possible.All of this should be said in your own words from your heart and mind.The format has been laid out but we must find our own words to express it.

God does not want you to use repetitive prayers.The holy scriptures makes this very clear.

Matthew 6:7-8
6 But when you pray, go into your private room and, after shutting your door, pray to your Father who is in secret. Then your Father who looks on in secret will repay you. 7 When praying, do not say the same things over and over again as the people of the nations do, for they imagine they will get a hearing for their use of many words.


Ps.It is not a biblical tradition for Christians.

 

[Nada]

Saying the model prayer is a Biblical tradition. It's great that your family does this. Good for you! Thumbs up!

Prayer — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

 

[Nada]

I'm not sure I get your question. If you are asking if Jesus and the Father are God, the answer is yes. Each has a different role. Obviously one of Jesus' roles was to die on the cross. Another of Jesus' roles is mediator. The Father's role is not the same as the Son's. The Holy Spirit's role is not the same as the Father's or the Son's. Yet, all three are God. They work together in perfect unity. Each relates to mankind in a different way.

Do you agree that though God is one, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are separate distinct beings, notice I did not say persons , and each has a different role? Can we agree on this point?

1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

 

[Nada]

God does not have a mother.Mary was the mother of Jesus.

 

[Wharton]

God does not have a mother.Mary was the mother of Jesus.

So Mary, effectively, was the mother of the archangel Michael who transformed into Jesus, then back into Michael the archangel?

Tell me how that happened?

 

[Nada]

So Mary, effectively, was the mother of the archangel Michael who transformed into Jesus, then back into Michael the archangel?

Tell me how that happened?

Read the holy scriptures.It explains it all.

 

[kepha31]

God does not want repetitive chants or prayers.That model prayer as you refer to is not a prayer one should do over and over.It is a guide on how to pray.It does not mean to literally say those exact words every time.That would not be sincere and from the heart.That prayer just shows you how to pray.

"Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil."

"...on earth, as it is in heaven..."
Then why have non-Catholic Christians divided the family of God, in heaven and on earth, into two separate families, contrary to the Bible?

So here is the format.We must acknowledge the creator,our GOD, in prayer.We must continue to wait on the arrival of His newly installed kingdom to come.We must keep asking for spiritual food.We must ask for forgiveness and ask for the help of others.We must ask God to help us in every way possible.All of this should be said in your own words from your heart and mind.The format has been laid out but we must find our own words to express it.

God does not want you to use repetitive prayers.The holy scriptures makes this very clear.

Matthew 6:7-8
6 But when you pray, go into your private room and, after shutting your door, pray to your Father who is in secret. Then your Father who looks on in secret will repay you. 7 When praying, do not say the same things over and over again as the people of the nations do, for they imagine they will get a hearing for their use of many words.

Matt. 6:7 - Jesus teaches, "do not heap up empty phrases" in prayer. You use this verse to criticize various Catholic forms of prayer which repeat phrases, such as litanies and the Rosary. But Jesus' focus in this instruction is on the "vain," and not on the "repetition."

Matt. 26:44 - for example, Jesus prayed a third time in the garden of Gethsemane, saying the exact same words again. It is not the repetition that is the issue. It's the vanity. God looks into our heart, not solely at our words.

Luke 18:13 - the tax collector kept beating his breast and praying "God be merciful to me, a sinner." This repetitive prayer was pleasing to God because it was offered with a sincere and repentant heart.

Rev. 4:8 - the angels pray day and night without cessation the same words "Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty." This is repetitious prayer that is pleasing to God.

Psalm 136 - in this Psalm, the phrase "For His steadfast love endures forever" is more repetitious than any Catholic prayer, and it is God's divine Word.

There is good repetition and vain repetition. Lumping all repetition as vain is just another cheap shot..

 

[katiemygirl]

If Jesus is God, as you believe, then Mary is the mother of God. She is not the mother of the Trinity.

Without Mary supplying the humanity of Jesus, you have no mediator, no redeemer, and no advocate.

As far as Queen of heaven, that goes back to Jesus being king. Mary would be the Queen Mother. It's kind of medieval but an accurate description.

God is a title. The Father is God. The Son is God. The Holy Spirit is God.

Is Mary the Mother of the Father or the Holy Spirit? No, of course she isn't. Mary is not the Mother of God. She is the Mother of Jesus. That's how she is referred to in the Bible.

 

[katiemygirl]

So Mary, effectively, was the mother of the archangel Michael who transformed into Jesus, then back into Michael the archangel?

Tell me how that happened?

I'd like to know where they find that in the Bible. Men sure do come up with some strange teachings don't they!

 

[katiemygirl]

1 Timothy 2:5
5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

I have repeatedly posted that verse on this thread..

 

[lovemuffin]

God is a title. The Father is God. The Son is God. The Holy Spirit is God

The formulators of the trinitarian doctrine didn't conceive of Theos as a title, but as a being (essence, substance, οὐσία). They also described the existence of persons of that being as all dwelling fully within each other: perichoresis, following mostly John's gospel: "Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me?" Rendering the word God as a title ignores all the richness of the actual trinitarian theology. It resolves an apparent paradox, but at the expense of the actual trinitarian view.

From that perspective, it made sense to them to say that Mary is the mother of God, because in Christ "all the fullness of the Deity dwelt bodily". They still are only referring to Mary as the mother of the incarnated God, but that incarnation is fully God. "If you have seen me you have seen the Father", as Jesus said.

 

[viole]

God is a title. The Father is God. The Son is God. The Holy Spirit is God.

Is Mary the Mother of the Father or the Holy Spirit? No, of course she isn't. Mary is not the Mother of God. She is the Mother of Jesus. That's how she is referred to in the Bible.

Which entails that Jesus is not the Son. Correct?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Nada]

"...on earth, as it is in heaven..."
Then why have non-Catholic Christians divided the family of God, in heaven and on earth, into two separate families, contrary to the Bible?



Matthew 6:7-8
6 But when you pray, go into your private room and, after shutting your door, pray to your Father who is in secret. Then your Father who looks on in secret will repay you. 7 When praying, do not say the same things over and over again as the people of the nations do, for they imagine they will get a hearing for their use of many words.

Matt. 6:7 - Jesus teaches, "do not heap up empty phrases" in prayer. You use this verse to criticize various Catholic forms of prayer which repeat phrases, such as litanies and the Rosary. But Jesus' focus in this instruction is on the "vain," and not on the "repetition."

Matt. 26:44 - for example, Jesus prayed a third time in the garden of Gethsemane, saying the exact same words again. It is not the repetition that is the issue. It's the vanity. God looks into our heart, not solely at our words.

Luke 18:13 - the tax collector kept beating his breast and praying "God be merciful to me, a sinner." This repetitive prayer was pleasing to God because it was offered with a sincere and repentant heart.

Rev. 4:8 - the angels pray day and night without cessation the same words "Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty." This is repetitious prayer that is pleasing to God.

Psalm 136 - in this Psalm, the phrase "For His steadfast love endures forever" is more repetitious than any Catholic prayer, and it is God's divine Word.

There is good repetition and vain repetition. Lumping all repetition as vain is just another cheap shot..

I'm not criticizing anyone.I am merely explaining what the holy scriptures actually says and means.

 

[Nada]

I have repeatedly posted that verse on this thread..

Thanks.

 

[katiemygirl]

God does not want repetitive chants or prayers.That model prayer as you refer to is not a prayer one should do over and over.It is a guide on how to pray.It does not mean to literally say those exact words every time.That would not be sincere and from the heart.That prayer just shows you how to pray.

"Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name.
Your kingdom come,
your will be done,
on earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil."

So here is the format.We must acknowledge the creator,our GOD, in prayer.We must continue to wait on the arrival of His newly installed kingdom to come.We must keep asking for spiritual food.We must ask for forgiveness and ask for the help of others.We must ask God to help us in every way possible.All of this should be said in your own words from your heart and mind.The format has been laid out but we must find our own words to express it.

God does not want you to use repetitive prayers.The holy scriptures makes this very clear.

Matthew 6:7-8
6 But when you pray, go into your private room and, after shutting your door, pray to your Father who is in secret. Then your Father who looks on in secret will repay you. 7 When praying, do not say the same things over and over again as the people of the nations do, for they imagine they will get a hearing for their use of many words.


Ps.It is not a biblical tradition for Christians.

I agree with what the Scripture says. However, I don't see anything wrong with saying the model prayer. I guess if that's the only prayer you ever prayed, and you did it repeatedly over and over, then it could end up being vain repetitions. It would be said mindlessly, without thinking. I believe God wants us to talk to Him on a personal level, child to Father. Prayer is really about the attitude of the heart of the person saying the prayer. Sometimes people can be in such a stressful situation that they can't think of what to say to their heavenly Father. So they say the model prayer, or the 23rd Psalm. God sees into our hearts. I wouldn't judge a person's prayer unless it is directed to someone other than God.