First, where in that statement do I refer to a "friend?"
Second, the "person" is me and it is not a claim. It is a FACT! Gary was speaking to me!
Third, you are speculating about something of which you have absolutely no knowledge, let alone awareness.
Fourth, that you think "Gary wouldn't say that" ... well, it just shows how little you know.
See? A clear example that you don't know fact from fiction.
You used third person to refer to yourself. I believed you were speaking about yourself but I didn't want to be accused of making an assumption. You didn't understand what he said to you, or you're twisting his words. You still haven't addressed the logical fallacy there: if Gary thought he was the only master, or masterpath was the only path, why would he say on multiple tapes and discourses that there are other light and sound paths and other sat gurus? I can go grab a tape and play it for you. I can open a discourse and show you where it's printed. You? You are just making a claim, one which relies on your memory and interpretation.
Look, this is the single most ridiculous conversation I've ever held with anyone. Let's just tell it like it is. You don't really believe in spirituality--if you did, you wouldn't dare say the things you say to me.
You must not really believe in karma, because if you did, you'd realize that Gary would not be so foolish as to incur gobs and gobs of karma by "cheating people out of their money". Nobody would be that stupid if they really saw the effects of karma. Pretending to be a guru is a spiritual crime of the worst order, and Gary knows that--he's said it himself several times.
You must not believe in karma, because you don't think there's anything wrong with twisting the truth to make a man look bad, no matter how low in your esteem he might be. Or in coming here and insulting people--yeah, that incurs karma, too.
As for being arrogant, let's just look in the mirror, shall we? Look at what you're really saying. Thousands of chelas don't think Gary is a fraud because they see the light and hear the sound in their consciousness as a direct result of initiation. They put in the time and discipline to do their spiritual exercises and they got results. Real phenomena you can see and hear. But it's not really about the phenomena. It's about finding what you really are inside, and finding a greater sense of peace and purpose. You clearly lack that, or you would not be able to say the horrible things you post in the city-data forum and here.
Just because you didn't put in enough discipline to make that "first step" work doesn't mean it doesn't work for others. Thousands of others. The master doesn't ask you to jump off a cliff or believe him on faith. I was very skeptical when I joined the path. But I can't argue with empirical, reproducible results. What he said would happen, has happened. It's completely unmistakable and cannot be invented or manufactured in any way. Heck, Nakosis, someone who had a different guru in india and no affiliation with mp at all, came and confirmed these experiences. Gary knows this and I can play a tape for you confirming it. You are the only one confused about what he said. Even if he said the word "masterpath", which I still doubt, he meant light and sound. Masterpath just happens to be "americanized" to make it more approachable for westerners that speak american english. Light and sound is the true path, and the beginning of that path is completely on the inner. The guru and his teachings are just to get a student there. You don't seem to understand this, because you keep showing your fear of outer guru's by talking about gary as if he's "authoritarian". I've already said how Gary doesn't tell me anything about how to live my outer life.
(Yes, someone is going to bring up the bird flu talk again, and I'm going to reiterate that Gary is not responsible for people freaking out over truth that he says. If anyone knew anything about science they would know flus like that happened before (Spanish Flu) and are likely to occur again. When? How? I don't know, but the world health organization has clearly listed the information, and all Gary did was repeat it. But apparently quoting true statements is morally wrong (read: plagiarism accusations). Yeah, I do think people fail to understand simple things, like spiritual truth.)
Your arrogance and rudeness probably got you in hot water with him (as it would with any real guru), and you want to pass that off as Gary's problem, not yours. I think you will find that spiritual progress is only possible if you start taking responsibiltiy for your own actions. And that starts with viewing yourself clearly.
This kind of snarky sarcasm is a clear example of what I'm referring to. It has no place in a spiritual conversation, which you would know if you understood spirituality. I said being smart is actually a hinderance to spirituality in some ways, so in a sense I was putting myself down. But you interpreted it as complimenting myself because you viewed the statement through the lens of your own insecurity.
You are practicing self-deceit. You actually had the nerve to deny that you go about attacking people online after I quoted you doing exactly that to Allan, who did nothing to provoke that kind of hateful response. I could quote any of dozens of posts I read from you where you are sarcastic, rude, or just downright mean to people, and you have the nerve to ask me to "get off my cross." These are clear examples of your consciousness, about how you just aren't particularly honest to yourself. It seems the hate just comes out of you, with no conscious effort to check or moderate it.
Regarding the path, your accusations against Gary is like a student going off about how a university failed to deliver her a proper education. Meanwhile, she didn't do her homework properly, got into a fight with a professor that was only trying to help her, threw a fit and withdrew from enrollment. Does that sound like a mature thing to do? And now, years later, she's still bashing that same professor who was trying to help her. You want critical thinking? Why not go back, look at your own actions, and ask yourself if what you're doing is reasonable or has a reasonable chance of actually helping you. Meanwhile, practically every other chela except you thinks Gary is delivering true teachings, and are experiencing great unfoldment in consciousness as a result of it. Every single one I've spoken to is more polite, loving, and caring than you have shown yourself to be here. But you have the gall to claim you're superior to these thousands of people--yes that's what you're claiming because you think they are deluded. Deluded because they had the humility and discipline to stay with the path long enough to experience the results Gary promised. No, I don't think the path is right for you. In that, you and I agree. Not at this time, anyway.
You ask me why I keep responding to you, and yes, it's out of pity and a desire to help you. But there are limits. You have demonstrated that you lack the objectivity to hold a serious conversation about spirituality, so I'm going to stop trying. Go ahead and keep nursing your hatred of Gary if you wish. You should know that the objective of spirituality is love. I hope you find the love to forgive yourself and pursue your own spirituality with renewed sincerity.
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