Christian Pilgrim
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You are welcome to your unitirian universalist views. We don't have to agree with each other because you are entitled to your opinions and views.
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Maybe I don't want to be a Christian any more
- Thread starter Katzpur
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You are welcome to your unitirian universalist views. We don't have to agree with each other because you are entitled to your opinions and views.
J Bryson
Well-Known Member
Well, that's just it. I really don't mean to pick on you here, but it seems that you don't have any actual views of your own. Just various quotations from the Bible, none of which seem to actually apply to whatever topic is being discussed unless you stretch the point. Others seem to believe this as well.
Since you've been kind enough to share wisdom from your Christian tradition, I'll share one from my girlfriend's Jewish one: If three people tell you that you are drunk, then go home and lie down.
zomg
I aim to misbehave!
I echo your thoughts and feelings, Katz.
I recall a few years ago I signed up on another forum. I stated if several of the posters were examples of Christians that I didn't want to be called a Christian. Nor did I care what I was called because I know who I believed in. Then one of those clever posters called me "heretic".
Serving a LDS mission and visiting various forums online has opened my eyes to the need for religious tolerance. I feel bad for the way Muslims are looked down on. I live in a college town, thus people from all over the world come into the store I work.
One night I saw a Muslim family shopping. I thought about how...hard?...living in a dominant LDS/Christian state might be for them. Wanting to let them know not everyone views them as terrorists, I wanted to say something. One of the younger girls approached me to ask a question about a product. I answered and as she was walking away I asked if she was Mulsim. She was wearing the head dress (forgive my ignorance) so it was kind of obvious.
She said yes. I can only assume she might have been worried about why I asked or the kind of response she would receive. I smiled big and gave a thumbs up and said "that's really cool". She smiled and said thank you.
Anyway.
Meeting many rude "Christians" as a missionary tainted my view of them. I do have to say that many Christians on this forum have displayed such Christ like love and acceptance that I can learn a lot from them.
Thank you.
I recall a few years ago I signed up on another forum. I stated if several of the posters were examples of Christians that I didn't want to be called a Christian. Nor did I care what I was called because I know who I believed in. Then one of those clever posters called me "heretic".
Serving a LDS mission and visiting various forums online has opened my eyes to the need for religious tolerance. I feel bad for the way Muslims are looked down on. I live in a college town, thus people from all over the world come into the store I work.
One night I saw a Muslim family shopping. I thought about how...hard?...living in a dominant LDS/Christian state might be for them. Wanting to let them know not everyone views them as terrorists, I wanted to say something. One of the younger girls approached me to ask a question about a product. I answered and as she was walking away I asked if she was Mulsim. She was wearing the head dress (forgive my ignorance) so it was kind of obvious.
She said yes. I can only assume she might have been worried about why I asked or the kind of response she would receive. I smiled big and gave a thumbs up and said "that's really cool". She smiled and said thank you.
Anyway.
Meeting many rude "Christians" as a missionary tainted my view of them. I do have to say that many Christians on this forum have displayed such Christ like love and acceptance that I can learn a lot from them.
Thank you.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
I would consider it to be an honor to be included in a group of Christians like you, Christine.
I love that verse. Interestingly, while Jesus never actually defined the word "Christian," the closest He ever came to doing so was to say that this is how men would recognize His disciples -- by their love for one another. That's why I find the lack of love between professing Christians to be so disturbing.
Christian Pilgrim
Active Member
Here are some sites that represent how I undestand Christianity. Thanks for pointing that out. I hope you take the time to understand my perspective of historical Biblical Christianity. My beliefs are historical and considered orthodox. I am not trying to create my own personal blend of Christianity, because the Faith was once for all delievered to the Saints about 2,000 years ago.
Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals, Inc
Desiring God :: God-centered resources from the ministry of John Piper
Monergism.com :: Classic Articles and Resources of the Historic Christian Faith
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Just to remind you, katz, that you were one of the big reasons why I stopped lurking here and signed up as a member here three years ago. It's because you exemplify the kind of integrity, love, and tolerance for others that I try to emulate. You still do so to this day.
Would you like a Big Squishy Hug?
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
You are so sweet, Heather! Thank you SOOO much.
Well, of course!Would you like a Big Squishy Hug?
McBell
Unbound
Katzpur is the sole reason I am here on RF.Just to remind you, katz, that you were one of the big reasons why I stopped lurking here and signed up as a member here three years ago. It's because you exemplify the kind of integrity, love, and tolerance for others that I try to emulate. You still do so to this day.
Would you like a Big Squishy Hug?
She found me lost and starving on another forum and suggested I come to this one.
The rest is, as they say, History!
Um..
I never did find out who the 'they' in that phrase is...
Christian Pilgrim
Active Member
This is my personal observation about Katzpur. I find her to be so like minded in fellowship with nonbelievers in Christ on this site, I find it strange as a professing Christian. On the other hand, I find Katz to be quite hostile to biblical Christians on this site. Of course, this is my personal opinion and observation which is fallible. We all know Katz does not hold my opinions to be of any value. She is quite hostile to me on a consistent basis. It's interesting to watch Muslims, Athesists, Hindus, and other non-Christians who come to her defense when she battles biblical Christians.
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painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
I have yet to really see Katz be hostile to anyone.
There is a difference between respectful disagreement and hostility.
wa:do
There is a difference between respectful disagreement and hostility.
wa:do
Christian Pilgrim
Active Member
I guess you haven't followed our discussions and dialogue together. She cursed at me and didn't care if she would get a warning by the moderators because it was worth it to her. Please see post 55 in context. IMO.. she is really not fighting me personally, but she is fighting biblical truth which (IMO) goes against her personal faith as a Mormon Christian. I personally believe that historic biblical Christianity is not apostate as taught by the Mormon Church. I do not believe in the claims of Joseph Smith and personally believe him to be a false prophet. I have come to that conclusion through prayer, and illumination of the Holy Spirit through the Scriptures.
Originally Posted by Christian Pilgrim
Hi Catz,
I'm glad to see your on this thread too. Please share when you left the Christian Faith and decided to become a Mormon Christian instead.
http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...68-those-who-left-christian-faith-lets-6.html
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McBell
Unbound
Careful, your words here are NOT supported by the Bible.
When one is acting the part of the arse, as your were in that particular thread, then one should expect to be treated as such.
Interesting that you can only see your own side.
Even more interesting, you go from hiding behind your scrip..sorry, Bible to an attempt at a pity party for the Fish-Hunter.
You haven't changed one bit.
themadhair
Well-Known Member
Link?
Green Gaia
Veteran Member
Thanks for pointing that out so I can frubal her again when I am able to.
Katz, if CP is the typical "Christian" I can understand your reason for not caring if you are called one or not. However, it has been my experience that you, Katzpur epitomize what it means to be "Christ-like" and those who would tell you otherwise are either jealous or idiots.
McBell
Unbound
Seems to me that she is completely justified with said response.
Especially given the nonsensical crap you were spewing as Fish-Hunter in all those anti-Mormon threads you were so proud of.
Of course, just like you are doing now, you never dealt with any of the counters that were presented to your arguments.
So no, your attempt at getting a pity party will not work with me.
and I hope it does not work with anyone else either.
McBell
Unbound
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
So you open up with an attack and you expect her to act warm and fuzzy?
As I've said on this thread already... those who claim the title "true Christian (tm)" are among the least christian people I've ever met.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
not by their titles ye shall know them.
While you may disagree with her faith, you have no right to judge her standing with God or with Christ. Look to yourself in that regard.
wa:do
Well it is my opinion that you are the reason for any hostilities that might be heaped on your plate. It was people like you that made me realize that I did not want to be associated with the Christian faith or any other for that matter. What I observed in my childhood was pious, hypocritical, and sanctimonious behavior from those who professed to be like Christ. It totally turned me off. It's people like Katzpur and .lava that have mellowed my dislike of religions and it's hypocritical ways.
By asking Katzpur why she left Christianity was just rude. Her response was apt and I cheered when I read it. Coming from her was a surprise because I have never seen her respond that way to anyone before. So, you win the prize for being the most provocative and imo it's not a good thing.
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Rakhel
Well-Known Member
So my question, CP, is what type of Christian are you?
Are you Eastern Orthodox or Oriental Orthodox? Maybe you are of the Assyrian Church? No? Okay. Perhaps Roman Catholic? NO wait. you claim they aren't Christian even tho they can claim Early christian hood.
Perhaps you are one of the newer Christians? Pre-Lutherian, Lutherian, or Presbyterian? Maybe Anabaptist, Brethren or Methodist? Are you from the Holiness Churches or the Baptist?
Or maybe you can tell us what a Christian looks like and what one church is a true Christian chruch so we will know better to stay away from it next time.
Are you Eastern Orthodox or Oriental Orthodox? Maybe you are of the Assyrian Church? No? Okay. Perhaps Roman Catholic? NO wait. you claim they aren't Christian even tho they can claim Early christian hood.
Perhaps you are one of the newer Christians? Pre-Lutherian, Lutherian, or Presbyterian? Maybe Anabaptist, Brethren or Methodist? Are you from the Holiness Churches or the Baptist?
Or maybe you can tell us what a Christian looks like and what one church is a true Christian chruch so we will know better to stay away from it next time.
OmarKhayyam
Well-Known Member
“There is a difference between respectful disagreement and hostility.”
Not in the CP world.
There are 2 kinds of people in his world. True xantians (as he defines them) and all others. They are separated by a vast gulf. There is no middle. All individuals, knowingly or not are in one camp or the other. They are forever in conflict; a titanic struggle between Good and Evil. There is no comprise possible, no truce, no cessation of hostilities, until the end of the world. And that end is the total destruction of “Evil” (everybody who disagrees with him) and the triumphant of Good. Everyone who agrees with him.
Not in the CP world.
There are 2 kinds of people in his world. True xantians (as he defines them) and all others. They are separated by a vast gulf. There is no middle. All individuals, knowingly or not are in one camp or the other. They are forever in conflict; a titanic struggle between Good and Evil. There is no comprise possible, no truce, no cessation of hostilities, until the end of the world. And that end is the total destruction of “Evil” (everybody who disagrees with him) and the triumphant of Good. Everyone who agrees with him.
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