"Speaking in tongues" would be a vese that has many meanings. Not the one I see people use in church these days though.
Regards Tony
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"Speaking in tongues" would be a vese that has many meanings. Not the one I see people use in church these days though.
Regards Tony
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Now that's a big problem with Bahai, methinks.
If one meaning gets battered by public opinion, Bahai can switch to a back-up meaning.
I call it 'double-think' or 'double-speak' or 'double-print'.
A true sage or God-messenger would be as clear as the sun shining on a cloudless day at noon.
I do believe in the former, but certainly not the latter.
Seems to me that if we're on a search for meaning, we need to know what we mean by 'meaning' ─ and that's just for a start.
Hi OB, great day to you, mine is just finishing. The key is that many Interpretations have already been given OB.
If it has not, we can offer our thoughts.
Like Islam and the Phrase "Seal of the Prophets". From a Baha'i point of view, and explanation has been given by a Message from God, we do not need to interpret.
Or Christ returning on the Clouds, the clouds in this cas meaning anything that prevents us seeing the returned Christ.
Regards Tony
Yes that is a can of worms right there at the start.
I can offer what a Baha'i sees as meaning
"The Word of God is the king of words and its pervasive influence is incalculable. It hath ever dominated and will continue to dominate the realm of being. The Great Being saith: The Word is the master key for the whole world, inasmuch as through its potency the doors of the hearts of men, which in reality are the doors of heaven, are unlocked. No sooner had but a glimmer of its effulgent splendour shone forth upon the mirror of love than the blessed word 'I am the Best-Beloved' was reflected therein. It is an ocean inexhaustible in riches, comprehending all things. Every thing which can be perceived is but an emanation therefrom..." Bahá’u’lláh, Tablets of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 173
Thus the word is the generating influence for life.
Regards Tony
RestlessSoul
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Last night
I begged the Wise One to tell me
the secret of the world.
Gently, gently he whispered,
“Be quiet,
the secret cannot be spoken,
it is wrapped in silence.”
- Rumi
I begged the Wise One to tell me
the secret of the world.
Gently, gently he whispered,
“Be quiet,
the secret cannot be spoken,
it is wrapped in silence.”
- Rumi
PruePhillip
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You have a mystic way of seeing things - and that means obfuscation, ambiguity and yes, evasion.
There is ONE way to see the admonition of Jesus to love God and to love your neighbor as yourself,
and that is to, yes, love God and love your fellow man. Nothing about loving yourself in those two New
Testament commandments.
Hi Tony. Can you find or/and post that Tablet of Baha’u’llah regarding interpretation? I’m unsure where it is. He says that sometimes there is meant a literal interpretation and sometimes a symbolical and sometimes both. I need to frame that as I think it’s awesome and very well balanced. Thanks Tony. All the best to you and your dear wife.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
When we use words, we are defining relationships, using vibrations of the air to signify how "this" relates to "that."
The Word of God is the living being modeling reality by wrapping frames around "things" and putting them in relation to each other. Without consciousness, it is no-thing, chaos: the undefined infinite eternity of everything with no relationship.
The Word of God is the living being modeling reality by wrapping frames around "things" and putting them in relation to each other. Without consciousness, it is no-thing, chaos: the undefined infinite eternity of everything with no relationship.
See another meaning.
I am sure we can find more. It is great you have expanded neighbour to include humanity. Do you think 2000 years ago people thay heard that could have a worldly vision?Regards Tony
Hello David, yes know the passage, will also have to look for it. I will try to get around to that sometime this week. Very busy at work!
All the best and much love from my wife and I to your household. Regards Tony
Thanks Tony. I tried to find it but couldn’t in provisional translations. Must have been elsewhere.
PruePhillip
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See another meaning.
Regards Tony
Commandment - love God and your fellow man.
Please give me TWO meanings for this - I am not asking for eight billion.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Hi Tony..... we must stop meeting like this, only ever at dusk or dawn.
As a Deist I might not have any heaven to fall back on, but at least I don't have to take notice of any seals, messages, people in clouds or interested God's.
It's just Nature, with all its gifts and all its terrors.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
No proof of God, no proof of messengers, no proof that there is any 'Word of God'. All fiction for one's benefit, importance or rants of psychologically imbalanced.
Hi Tony..... we must stop meeting like this, only ever at dusk or dawn.
As a Deist I might not have any heaven to fall back on, but at least I don't have to take notice of any seals, messages, people in clouds or interested God's.
It's just Nature, with all its gifts and all its terrors.
I see that is exactly the choice we have with God OB.
It is also to me the mystery contained in Words. They contain the promise and the warning.
It is worth considering, that if God does send Messengers, the record show that God sends them in a time of need, a time before the need becomes apparent.
In this age we can see that one who claimed to give a Global Message from God, gave it to tell us we had to be united as one people on one planet, if we did not we would face terrible conflict on a global scale and all those waves of conflict and calamity would result in an event that will be so destructive that the limbs of mankind will quake.
Those words already tell us that it is going to take that terror before we consider the required universal participation in peace.
Those words already offer it is not the Baha'i that will build that lesser peace, so rest assured you do not have to submit to God to participate in the lesser peace, but one will have to submit to becoming a global citizen with global laws.
Hold on OB, the word is shaping a new world.
Dusk and dawn are great times to meet. Workdays it is 4am for me, before a 6am start, Sun is up around 6:30. Enjoy your earl grey.
Regards Tony
Good morning Aupmanyav, hope all is well in your part of the world.
That indeed is a view you can freely hold.
Personally I always consider that structure of creation more than indicates that is founded on intelligent design. I am here for just a blink of time in that intelligent infinite creation.
Thus when a man is asked by God to give a Message, who then has no other motivation but to deliver a message of Love, Unity and peace, , knowing that in doing so they will face the accusation of being a liar and a fraud, then by giving that very Message, provides ample proof that it is not from him, but from an all knowing God, personally I see it is just plain justice to listen, who knows I may learn something?
Regards Tony
love God. We can say that, but what is the meaning? Once we explore that a world of meaning opens up
What is and who is God?
Does it mean to Love all creation, does it mean Love all the Messengers? Does it mean to love your own self?
Love your fellow man. What does this mean?
Does it mean the same thing to all people? Define what it is to love your fellow man.
Regards Tony
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
I see that is exactly the choice we have with God OB.
It is also to me the mystery contained in Words. They contain the promise and the warning.
It is worth considering, that if God does send Messengers, the record show that God sends them in a time of need, a time before the need becomes apparent.
In this age we can see that one who claimed to give a Global Message from God, gave it to tell us we had to be united as one people on one planet, if we did not we would face terrible conflict on a global scale and all those waves of conflict and calamity would result in an event that will be so destructive that the limbs of mankind will quake.
Those words already tell us that it is going to take that terror before we consider the required universal participation in peace.
Those words already offer it is not the Baha'i that will build that lesser peace, so rest assured you do not have to submit to God to participate in the lesser peace, but one will have to submit to becoming a global citizen with global laws.
Hold on OB, the word is shaping a new world.
Dusk and dawn are great times to meet. Workdays it is 4am for me, before a 6am start, Sun is up around 6:30. Enjoy your earl grey.
Regards Tony
No messengers TS.
Any time could be pointed to as a time of need. Reversing claims in to various situations is so obviously a sham, imo.
The Great War.... Where was the messenger?
WWII.... Where was the messenger?
The Millennium..... Where was the messenger?
Nah..... Nature rules around here.
No messengers TS.
Any time could be pointed to as a time of need. Reversing claims in to various situations is so obviously a sham, imo.
The Great War.... Where was the messenger?
WWII.... Where was the messenger?
The Millennium..... Where was the messenger?
Nah..... Nature rules around here.
The other way we could look at this, is why did humanity not embrace the Message that would have prevented those wars and possible one to come.
Regards Tony