oldbadger
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Christianity was not peaceful, nor Islam and Baha'i wouldn't have been either.... No way.
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The Baha Faith is peaceful and will remain so. No Baha'i has taken up arms since the Laws of Holy War was removed from the Book.
All the best OB.
Regards Tony
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Baha'i is not pacifist at all.
PruePhillip
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To 'love God' has only one meaning. Giving it other meaning, changing the subject or introducing strawman arguments
is a philosophy of deceit - worse, it seems to have a motive.
There's nothing about God's messengers or yourself in the admonition to 'love God.' Certainly other things can FLOW
from that love - but the main statement is clear.
CG Didymus
Veteran Member
Or words like the "empty" tomb or "he showed himself alive by many proofs." Or, "touch me and see that I have flesh and bone and am not a ghost." I agree with Christians. What these words say is that they believe Jesus came back to life. Could be a lie. Could be true. But Baha'is say these words are symbolic. Or with Abraham... it says that Abraham took his son Isaac to be sacrificed. But Baha'is say those words are wrong. It was Ishmael. But then Christians do funny things with words also. A young maiden or a virgin? They take virgin and make it a prophecy. But then what do the other words in Isaiah 7 mean? Everybody can find words and meanings to prove their religion is the true one.
It is great we get to choose what we want to believe CG. It is also great we get to choose peace and unity over war.
All the best.
Regards Tony
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Nice. That means you still live in 7th Century. How wonderful is the earth! Some people live in stone-age (Andaman aboriginals and others), some in 7th Century (Actually, the majority of the world's people), a few live in 21st Century.
There are myriad of motivations. Some do it for power, some do it for adulation, others nurture it as family business, when their generations live luxuriously on its proceeds. Neither existence of God has ever been proved nor the so-called messengers have shown any proof. Till the proof is provided, such people can safely be termed as liars. Your personal views are of no consequence to me and many others. IMHO, your path is factitious, superstitiousl, unscientific and out-of-date (women and LGBTQ among other things).
Luckily the Messengers are sent by God for all humanity and have no part in what you offered.
Regards Tony
A Vestigial Mote
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Unfortunately, the two images that are juxtaposed in your post are complete photoshops of one another.
As evidence, please note the most pronounced shape/object in both photos taken here to be side-by side and adjusted for scale:
See the sort of bright nexus slightly to the right of center in each image? Note that the tendrils coming off of each are in exactly the same configurations. Even the smaller bright points (while dimmer on the right-hand image of supposed galaxies) are in the same relative positions. Now look to the bottom-left hand corner of each image at the two dark ovals of negative space. Same sizing and positioning.
This is entirely faked. Who even knows what the original picture was of? Brain cells? Galaxies? Soap-scum under an electron microscope?
I know I don't need to mention this... but something like this does NOTHING to bolster anyone's case about anything. This is terrible, terrible business.
Here are the two images super-imposed (at 50% opacity) around that bright nexus (only slightly skewed due to not bothering to take the time to get the scales 100% in-sync, and anyway - it produces an obvious effect of being able to see correlated shapes and bright spots even more clearly) in case there is any remaining skepticism at these images being blatant photoshopping:
And to those who rated that post "winner" or a "like" - shame on you. Seriously. Shame. Just look, for goodness sake. With your eyes.
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There is infinite clear signs if you go the right way about it. And infinite misinterpretation and darkness that confuses you regarding the book if you go the wrong way about it. The latter leads to division, while former, if people went that path, would have lead to unity.
Look, it was the best photo I could find to represent my point.
The universe is like a giant brain, scientists find
"A new study investigated the differences and similarities between two of the most complex systems in existence, though at entirely difference scales: the cosmos and its galaxies and the brain and its neuronal cells.
They found that while the scale is clearly different, the structure is remarkably similar. In some cases, the two systems seemed more similar to each other than they did to the parts that make them up."
A Vestigial Mote
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Would the scientists infer then that there is a "mind" of the universe having thoughts and using the substrate of the material of the universe to bounce energy signals around to do things like write and retrieve memories, experience thoughts and feelings and interpret stimulus? Point being, unless someone has found that bit to be the case, while the form of various parts may look kind of like one another, the functions of each must be noted to be extremely disparate and unrelated.
Besides this, the image of the brain usually used for comparisons like this is obviously one measuring some kind of activity, because I can guarantee there aren't areas that are literally "lit up" with light like areas of outer-space. Can we agree there? That if you took even an electron microscope and examined any part of the brain, you would not get the image you see of neural networks that displays them as lit areas of activity and dim areas of inactivity. In other words, the universe to the naked eye looks absolutely nothing like any image of the brain to the naked eye - which means the comparison of the two images is most definitely apples to oranges... especially since (as I mentioned previously) the types of activities causing the activity-measuring images to look as they do are representations of widely different categories of activity.
In the end, noting the similarities in what something looks like as compared to something else, or even how, physically, they relate in some ways (do various sub-particles in the brain "orbit" the nucleus of a neuron, do you think? Are various neural structures pulled together toward one another by forces that further shift and change the dynamic between them like is constantly happening to all bodies in space?) is fine. Whatever. But expecting to then take such analogies forward into inferring or implying other relationships that have not been demonstrated is... well... it's just not cool.
RestlessSoul
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Actually, it is cool. Using one's imagination, seeing connections which may or may not be significant, recognising analogies, thinking in metaphor; all these things are definitely cool.
A Vestigial Mote
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When used in fictional writing, yes, I can see how that could be "cool." Outside of that, in, perhaps, trying to convince someone that something "bigger" is going on for which you have very little in the form of significant evidence... not cool. That's more that "not cool" I was going for. I figure you understood that, but were just trying to be contrary, because you'd like to believe these things at a whim as well. Or perhaps you didn't know that was what I was going after. But now you do.
Yes we all get to choose our path in life and that path is part of the whole.
We all get to consider the what part words play in our life and how they can contribute to the whole.
All the best, we are in very interesting times, where the truth of what is being spoken, is hard to find.
Regards Tony
A Vestigial Mote
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Even from the article itself:
article said:
Note the use of the word "superficial." And the name of the paper cited at the end as the product of the research:
article said:
Quantitative - adj. - that which is or may be estimated by quantity. of or relating to the describing or measuring of quantity.
as opposed to:
Qualitative: - adj. - pertaining to or concerned with quality or qualities.
Wasn't the point of your bringing these images and this idea to bear that you would like us to infer that the quantitative similarities found also imply qualitative similarities? Is that accurate? Bringing it up as a point of debate over religion and meaning, I would assume this has to be - and not that you merely thought it interesting that various quantities used in measuring and depicting these two disparate things were correlated to some degree.
That is indeed how the Word of Allah unfolds in this matrix, it is a world of opposites.
For every Virtue, there is also the lack of that virtue. We have been given the capacity of those virtues, yet we must bring them out from our own self. That is why Allah sends the Messengers, to show us how.
Regards Tony
@A Vestigial Mote
It was a great post. I see scientists are not far from the truth. Patterns are repeated, this from the "Tablet of the Universe" by Abdul'baha.
"....For physical things are signs and imprints of spiritual things; every lower thing is an image and counterpart of a higher thing. Nay, earthly and heavenly, material and spiritual, accidental and essential, particular and universal, structure and foundation, appearance and reality and the essence of all things, both inward and outward -- all of these are connected one with another and are interrelated in such a manner that you will find that drops are patterned after seas, and that atoms are structured after suns in proportion to their capacities and potentialities..."
Tablet of the Universe
Regards Tony