Men and women. Friends or foes?

[Shadow Wolf]

What does it have to do with toxic masculinity?

It's another point demonstrating you have some whackass wrong fantasy view of America that doesn't exist.

What does that have to do with American women considering all men potential rapists?

Nothing because that is just as true and real as a flying pink penguin who craps icecream. American women do not consider all men potential rapists.

Honestly I would suggest American women to consider the pathway of homosexuality.
Lesbians at least leave men alone...

Over your fantasy that doesn't exist? Should parents turn to Santa Clause for gifts for their kids?

And men can find comfort with us, heterosexual women, who can appreciate the male anatomy and the male brain.

Heterosexual women generally aren't amused when a guy just gropes them and don't think of them as cute piglets.

 

[Estro Felino]

Heterosexual women generally aren't amused when a guy just gropes them and don't think of them as cute piglets.

Honestly I was not considering such an extreme scenario...which I condemn.
I was thinking of catcalling.
Is it perceived as example of toxic masculinity, right?

Because catcalling has always been considered so normal in my country, that we don't even an Italian word for it. We use the word catcalling too, because we imported it from the US, where it's largely seen as outrageous.

 

[Father Heathen]

This. It's preceded by a 1989 commercial

Wow, surely nobody is actually stupid enough to believe that this commercial "perceive men as violent and potential rapists."
The message was that fathers should raise their sons to treat others with respect and dignity.

Do Italians lack class?

 

[Estro Felino]

Do Italians lack class?

Probably. This movie was set in the Sicily of the fourties. Just notice the men's behavior.

 

[Father Heathen]

Honestly I was not considering such an extreme scenario...which I condemn.
I was thinking of catcalling.
Is it perceived as example of toxic masculinity, right?

Because catcalling has always been considered so normal in my country, that we don't even an Italian word for it. We use the word catcalling too, because we imported it from the US, where it's largely seen as outrageous.

In civilized societies, sexual harassment is frowned upon. Just because mistreatment of women might be normalized by a culture doesn't make it okay. It means that culture is trashy and lacks class.

 

[Estro Felino]

In civilized societies, sexual harassment is frowned upon. Just because mistreatment of women might be normalized by a culture doesn't make it okay. It means that culture is trashy and lacks class.

Honestly I see nothing but catcalling in the video.
Of course...the video exaggerates the men's reactions because it means to be comical and tragic at the same time. Grotesque.

Is catcalling "sexual harassment"?

 

[Estro Felino]

What does that have to do with American women considering all men potential rapists?

 

[crossfire]

I have heard that in the US there is this idiom Nice guys finish last.

Actually, it referred to gentlemanly behavior when it comes to sex in couched language:

"Ladies first,"

and

"Nice guys finish last."

It refers to ladies having orgasm first, and then the nice guys finishing last.

It seems that the meaning got lost when a generation of naive children tried to speculate on the meaning behind it, and totally missed the message.

 

[SomeRandom]

I have family in California. I’d wager they’d have no idea what the hell you’re talking about.

People can have hang ups. People can be weird.
Beware sensationalised content found primarily online

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So a dumb twat on the internet prepresents how America is as a whole?
So what is it with Italians all being dangerous gangers who are all hyper-obsessed with pasta and have a peculiar tendency to shout "mama mia! That's a spicy meatball!" It must be true that's how Italians are, that just has to be how it is, because after all the evidence of a selective intake of Italian media is irrefutable proof Italians are really like this.
So what's it like jumping down a pipe to stomp turtles to death? What goes through your head when you give someone the kiss of death? What's your favorite way to kill someone?

 

[Estro Felino]

Actually, it referred to gentlemanly behavior when it comes to sex in couched language:

"Ladies first,"

and

"Nice guys finish last."

It refers to ladies having orgasm first, and then the nice guys finishing last.

It seems that the meaning got lost when a generation of naive children tried to speculate on the meaning behind it, and totally missed the message.

Interesting.
But I guess it's how it is meant today that matters.

 

[Estro Felino]

So a dumb twat on the internet prepresents how America is as a whole?
So what is it with Italians all being dangerous gangers who are all hyper-obsessed with pasta and have a peculiar tendency to shout "mama mia! That's a spicy meatball!" It must be true that's how Italians are, that just has to be how it is, because after all the evidence of a selective intake of Italian media is irrefutable proof Italians are really like this.
So what's it like jumping down a pipe to stomp turtles to death? What goes through your head when you give someone the kiss of death? What's your favorite way to kill someone?

Enlighten me, then. I am here to learn from the right sources.
As a woman, what you think of men in general.
Do you like them?
Is there something you don't like about them?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Interesting.
But I guess it's how it is meant today that matters.

Today its often said by jerks looking for an excuse to justify inexcusable behaviors.

 

[Estro Felino]

I have family in California. I’d wager they’d have no idea what the hell you’re talking about.

People can have hang ups. People can be weird.
Beware sensationalised content found primarily online

I guess I have the right to understand.
It's something that traumatized me...in the nineties, when I heard of Clinton and Lewinski.
It's an unresolved issue.
Clinton treated as a criminal just because he had an extra-marital affair with a younger woman.

Is that because he was a straight man?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Enlighten me, then. I am here to learn from the right sources.

For one you need a variety of sources. Like here offers a good sample of what many rational, intelligent, humanitarian-minded Americans are like. Your sources that you repeat is a sample of some of the worst. And while most Americans are moderate, the censorship on TV amd movies is decided by a group of prudes who are out of touch with the average American.

As a woman, what you think of men in general.
Do you like them?
Is there something you don't like about them?

Some men are decent, good human beings. Some are better off being shoved in front on an oncoming train.
The same goes for women. People are people. Some are great, some are rotten, most are in between.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I guess I have the right to understand.
It's something that traumatized me...in the nineties, when I heard of Clinton and Lewinski.
It's an unresolved issue.
Clinton treated as a criminal just because he had an extra-marital affair with a younger woman.

Is that because he was a straight man?

It's because he was under oath and lied about it.
Where in the bloody hell does this "because he was a straight man" come from?

 

[Estro Felino]

For one you need a variety of sources. Like here offers a good sample of what many rational, intelligent, humanitarian-minded Americans are like. Your sources that you repeat is a sample of some of the worst. And while most Americans are moderate, the censorship on TV amd movies is decided by a group of prudes who are out of touch with the average American.


Some men are decent, good human beings. Some are better off being shoved in front on an oncoming train.
The same goes for women. People are people. Some are great, some are rotten, most are in between.

Thank you. Very enlightening.
The problem is also the manipulation of information, then.

 

[Estro Felino]

It's because he was under oath and lied about it.
Where in the bloody hell does this "because he was a straight man" come from?

Lying under oath about something private and irrelevant is no big deal.

It's like someone lied about eating pizza the day before.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Lying under oath about something private and irrelevant is no big deal.

It's like someone lied about eating pizza the day before.

Lying under oath about anything is a serious offense. And wasn't exactly private given the circumstances, there was.a tremendous power discrepancy between the two amd considering he is married it is not irrelevant but a deeply hurtful disrespect and betrayel against his wife.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Lying under oath about something private and irrelevant is no big deal.

It's like someone lied about eating pizza the day before.

And does this mean you think marital infidelity isn't a big deal?