Men in the West are dressed in full; women are dressed half , quarter or less

[FearGod]

Who knew that wearing shorts causes infertility, a lack of good deeds, homosexuality, the abomination of female singers, dancing, and music, and the rise in drug usage!

Note also that one of the lines says that women will be naked in spite of being dressed, which more than implies that what a woman wears doesn't matter: it's how she acts that does.

(Hey, you could also try to take a stab at 1) Proving that wearing shorts causes more infidelity. 2) That more infidelity is occuring now than when people were wearing more. 3) That infidelity caused by skimpy clothing is the cause for the rise in divorce in the west. But I'm not holding my breath since this has been ignored every single other time it's been brought up.)

Those styles of living prophesied by the prophet isn't talking about wearing shorts but how the world will be looking like when close to its end which i can see that all what he had prophesied became true.

women will be naked in spite of being dressed is what we can see now in muslim countries that many women are wearing tight pants and jeans eventhough that they're wearing hijab.

Of course who don't have faith won't believe on all those prophecies and will account it for a lucky strikes.

 

[Falvlun]

Those styles of living prophesied by the prophet isn't talking about wearing shorts but how the world will be looking like when close to its end which i can see that all what he had prophesied became true.

women will be naked in spite of being dressed is what we can see now in muslim countries that many women are wearing tight pants and jeans eventhough that they're wearing hijab.

Of course who don't have faith won't believe on all those prophecies and will account it for a lucky strikes.

Nearly all of those things have been happening since humans grouped themselves into tribes.

What did your photo have to do with anything? I see a woman who is completely covered up, more than is required by the quaran-- which only stipulated that the bosoms be covered (unless you had another verse to offer).

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Some people thing as if nudity is a sign of progress that science has brought around. I think science and progress has nothing to do with it. To be clothed, among others, is a symbol of civilization , in my opinion.

My religion tells me this:


[20:118] Then We said, ‘O Adam, this is an enemy to thee, and to thy wife; so let him not drive you both out of the garden, lest thou come to grief.
[20:119] ‘It is provided for thee that thou wilt not hunger therein, nor wilt thou be naked.
[20:120] ‘And that thou wilt not thirst therein, nor wilt thou be exposed to the sun.’

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine - Al Islam Online

Did you put the "progress of science" tag there?

 

[FearGod]

Nearly all of those things have been happening since humans grouped themselves into tribes.

What did your photo have to do with anything? I see a woman who is completely covered up, more than is required by the quaran-- which only stipulated that the bosoms be covered (unless you had another verse to offer).

Yes,according to your faith such prophecies will mean nothing to you,but to muslims it means a lot.

As for the unbelievers, alike it is to them whether thou hast warned them or hast not warned them, they do not believe. (2:6)

So it depends on person's faith,if ones don't want to believe he could make many reasons for not to believe,such as saying,if god wanted me to be a believer,then he can do it,so why he had to blame me for being unbeliever.

it is as simple as this
to choose to believe or to choose not to believe

 

[Zoe Doidge]

it is as simple as this
to choose to believe or to choose not to believe

Just like Russell's teapot.

 

[FearGod]

Just like Russell's teapot.

Good point.

Exactly,as one reason to choose not to believe among others.
Some may say can god cure Amputee ,can he left up huge stone,
can he cure cancers and it goes on as many reasons as not to believe.

So if any religion came to ones mind,then he'll remeber Russell's teapot,
or the Amputee and nothing will be accepted by him as he chose not to believe.

 

[paarsurrey]

Nearly all of those things have been happening since humans grouped themselves into tribes.

What did your photo have to do with anything? I see a woman who is completely covered up, more than is required by the quaran-- which only stipulated that the bosoms be covered (unless you had another verse to offer).

I agree with you; she is nicely dressed.

 

[paarsurrey]

Did you put the "progress of science" tag there?

Yes; I started the thread and put the tags.
If you don't like it; I may remove it.

 

[FearGod]

I agree with you; she is nicely dressed.

Maybe the nice dresses showing body figure such as the tight jeans were produced at the time of the stone ages,Noah pbuh,Abraham pbuh till the Victarian era,who knows.

 

[beenie]

Yes; I started the thread and put the tags.
If you don't like it; I may remove it.

Tags are used to help people find threads; I think people are just confused as to what this thread has to do with science.

 

[Zoe Doidge]

Good point.

Exactly,as one reason to choose not to believe among others.
Some may say can god cure Amputee ,can he left up huge stone,
can he cure cancers and it goes on as many reasons as not to believe.

So if any religion came to ones mind,then he'll remeber Russell's teapot,
or the Amputee and nothing will be accepted by him as he chose not to believe.

That’s the problem for me, we have no real way of knowing whether God exists or not in the same way we have no real way of knowing whether Russell’s teapot does. There are an unlimited number of things which don’t exist, but a far more finite amount of those that do. With the lack of such evidence I default to non-belief because I have to have some sort of means of categorising what I believe in and what I don’t.

Of course, if someone does choose to believe in a God then they have to figure out which God they believe in or at least, which representation of God (in the form of religion) is the most accurate one. And even that's ignoring the possibility that there could be more than one God, or that all the human religions are wrong.

 

[Falvlun]

Yes,according to your faith such prophecies will mean nothing to you,but to muslims it means a lot.

As for the unbelievers, alike it is to them whether thou hast warned them or hast not warned them, they do not believe. (2:6)

What if I were to present you with a prophecy that stated that, in the end of times, children will talk back to their parents? What if I said that people will begin using utensils to eat with? Or what if I offered that we will use transportation devices to travel great distances faster than when we are on foot? Would you consider these good, indicative prophecies of the end times?

I hope not. Why? Because all of these things have been happening for thousands of years, just like the prophecies you offered. People have been committing adultery and fornicating for thousands of years, people have been dancing and playing musical instruments and allowing woman to sing for thousands of years. Homosexuality has been going on for thousands of years (the greeks and Romans were masters at it), the use of intoxicants has been going on for thousands of years, dress codes/ styles/ fashions change quite frequently, women (and men) have always conspired, and children out of wedlock have always occurred.

Those aren't prophecies; those are just listing human characteristics.

The only true prophecy there is that many women of childbearing years will become infertile (many being the operative word, since of course, infertility in both sexes has always occurred), and unfortunately for you, that has not happened.

 

[jasonwill2]

...Meanwhile Satan's holy women will remain either half-nude in ritual or COMPLETELY naked as she IS THE ALTAR on which the ritual is performed.

By the way... in group rituals it is normal practice for the woman to be the altar

I just wish we had more shirtless Satanic men as priests with great abs for equality :yes:

(im straight, btw)

 

[FearGod]

That’s the problem for me, we have no real way of knowing whether God exists or not in the same way we have no real way of knowing whether Russell’s teapot does. There are an unlimited number of things which don’t exist, but a far more finite amount of those that do. With the lack of such evidence I default to non-belief because I have to have some sort of means of categorising what I believe in and what I don’t.

Of course, if someone does choose to believe in a God then they have to figure out which God they believe in or at least, which representation of God (in the form of religion) is the most accurate one. And even that's ignoring the possibility that there could be more than one God, or that all the human religions are wrong.

Everyone is free to think the way he feel comfortable and that is the reason we see many choices in religion.

But questions always came to ones mind,such as

if islam is the right religion,then ist my fault that i born and raised as christian or hindus..etc

if islam is the right religion why it was in Arabic,why not in my language.

not mentioning the media effect such as terrorism,ignorance,women rights..etc.


Also many refuse the idea of islam because they can't or don't like to change their life style,such as

the pleasure of having boyfriends and girlfriends,datings...etc
enjoying spiritual drinks
enjoy eating pork meat

and other things which make most of us to refuse the idea of submission to god.

Yes,its really a hard challenge and we only know as muslims that we are here on earth for the test,and as we came first time,we will be brought back for the judgement day.

There are signs from god which can appear to whom fetching for him and the person i think should be honest and sincere to ask god to show him one of his signs.

When doing so,we should have faith that we need him and that we are looking to reach him by sincere praying to a creator which we don't know him,but he can reach us if we asked for him.

i aint talking here about islam,but to any religion which god may guide us once we pray sincerely to him.

here are 3 sample videos which some people were fetching for god and they got the answer,but as i said,we should have faith,not in islam,but in god.

Also one accident during the prophet life makes me to think always seriously about religion that when he got ill and he was in knowledge that he is leaving earth he asked for the people to gather and to record what called the prophet last sermon before his death (people were crying during his last sermon)

[youtube]s0AeJPTC5js[/youtube]
The Last Sermon of Prophet Muhammed SAW - By Bilal Assad. - YouTube

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Aussie man convert story.....FUNNY yet VERY TOUCHING...... - YouTube

[youtube]qBTz8mS3Hc4[/youtube]
The Story of an American Priest Embraced Islam -- Yusuf Estes - YouTube

[youtube]5Gr54pYc3Ak[/youtube]
How I came to Islam - Dr. Laurence Brown | Interfaith Issues - Episode 3 - YouTube

 

[FearGod]

What if I were to present you with a prophecy that stated that, in the end of times, children will talk back to their parents? What if I said that people will begin using utensils to eat with? Or what if I offered that we will use transportation devices to travel great distances faster than when we are on foot? Would you consider these good, indicative prophecies of the end times?

I hope not. Why? Because all of these things have been happening for thousands of years, just like the prophecies you offered. People have been committing adultery and fornicating for thousands of years, people have been dancing and playing musical instruments and allowing woman to sing for thousands of years. Homosexuality has been going on for thousands of years (the greeks and Romans were masters at it), the use of intoxicants has been going on for thousands of years, dress codes/ styles/ fashions change quite frequently, women (and men) have always conspired, and children out of wedlock have always occurred.

Those aren't prophecies; those are just listing human characteristics.

The only true prophecy there is that many women of childbearing years will become infertile (many being the operative word, since of course, infertility in both sexes has always occurred), and unfortunately for you, that has not happened.

You miss one thing my friend.which is

Assuming that the messenger was a lier,do you think that he is in need to make any prophecy which it might happen or not after his death,why should he care ? and he wasn't obliged to tell such prophecies which might not happen in the future.

But i aint asking you to believe on it,as i said to you before,that depends on faith.
For me i believe that all of them to be true prophecies whereas you and some others will think them as normal things that any one could know that they might happen in the future.

 

[InfidelRiot]

most of us to refuse the idea of submission to god.

I was just thinking that in a world where most of us have to submit to an authority figure, it is nice to have the choice of not submitting to a divine one.

 

[Falvlun]

You miss one thing my friend.which is

Assuming that the messenger was a lier,

I don't think he was a liar; I have no opinion either way. I certainly don't believe that he intentionally lied. I just am saying that those "prophecies" aren't very useful, since they could apply to any time period in the history of man.

do you think that he is in need to make any prophecy which it might happen or not after his death,why should he care ? and he wasn't obliged to tell such prophecies which might not happen in the future.

There have been many prophets. The mere fact that they felt they had the gift of prophecy doesn't somehow make their prophecies more probable.

But i aint asking you to believe on it,as i said to you before,that depends on faith.
For me i believe that all of them to be true prophecies whereas you and some others will think them as normal things that any one could know that they might happen in the future.

I am not denying that they might happen in the future. They probably will. The point is that they are also happening in the present, and they have happened in the past. There is almost no point in human history when they haven't happened. Do you really think that female singers, adultery, intoxication, dancing, etc is a new thing?

Do you really think that thighs have never before been seen in the marketplace?

 

[FearGod]

I don't think he was a liar; I have no opinion either way. I certainly don't believe that he intentionally lied. I just am saying that those "prophecies" aren't very useful, since they could apply to any time period in the history of man.


There have been many prophets. The mere fact that they felt they had the gift of prophecy doesn't somehow make their prophecies more probable.


I am not denying that they might happen in the future. They probably will. The point is that they are also happening in the present, and they have happened in the past. There is almost no point in human history when they haven't happened. Do you really think that female singers, adultery, intoxication, dancing, etc is a new thing?

Do you really think that thighs have never before been seen in the marketplace?

OK,What about this,which looks like magic before 1400 years ago

A man will leave his home and his thigh or hip will tell him what is happening back at his home (Ahmad)

So how one could know that man will be able to know what is happening in home while he is away,ist magic or a real technology of today with mobiles which really hanged to our thighs and hips.

if i'll listen to such person before 1400 years ago,i'll say,is he crazy or making fool of us.

 

[Falvlun]

OK,What about this,which looks like magic before 1400 years ago

A man will leave his home and his thigh or hip will tell him what is happening back at his home (Ahmad)

So how one could know that man will be able to know what is happening in home while he is away,ist magic or a real technology of today with mobiles which really hanged to our thighs and hips.

if i'll listen to such person before 1400 years ago,i'll say,is he crazy or making fool of us.

Why does it have to be either? He could seriously believe what he was saying, without insanity or trickery. People make mistakes, and sometimes, people get lucky.

The other thing about prophecies is that they are vague, almost purposefully, so that they can fit almost anything. It is a common thing for an old grandma or grandpa to claim that they can predict the coming weather based on how their knee or hip is aching. It has also been a common concept that people just "know", due to some sudden pang, when something good or awful has happened to their loved ones. Both those scenarios seem to fit the wording better than your invocation of cell phones and pagers. After all, it states that it will be the hip itself that is transmitting the message, not a thing (a cell phone) that is carried upon the hip. Why shouldn't we take these prophecies literally, as written?

 

[FearGod]

Why does it have to be either? He could seriously believe what he was saying, without insanity or trickery. People make mistakes, and sometimes, people get lucky.

The other thing about prophecies is that they are vague, almost purposefully, so that they can fit almost anything. It is a common thing for an old grandma or grandpa to claim that they can predict the coming weather based on how their knee or hip is aching. It has also been a common concept that people just "know", due to some sudden pang, when something good or awful has happened to their loved ones. Both those scenarios seem to fit the wording better than your invocation of cell phones and pagers. After all, it states that it will be the hip itself that is transmitting the message, not a thing (a cell phone) that is carried upon the hip. Why shouldn't we take these prophecies literally, as written?

And this one

When people begin to compete with others in the construction of taller buildings (Bukhari)

Yes,people were competing to construct the taller buildings from the stone era till today and look how many ruins of very tall buildings which have been constructed through the history and also it is very easy to realize that people in future will compete in constructing taller buildings nothing special on it,if i had been living at his times then i'll guess the same thing,very simple.

Do you want to add some more ideas to refute this prophecy.