Men in the West are dressed in full; women are dressed half , quarter or less

[Caladan]

I think it shows we ran out of burqas and decided to tame ourselves instead of forcing others to hide themselves.

Could just be wishful thinking on my part though.

Silly Gjallarhorn why tame ourselves when we can marry the women we rape under mandate of law?

 

[Father Heathen]

What does it show?

That women are free, independent and dress as they please. The human body is a beautiful thing. there is nothing shameful about it.

 

[Father Heathen]

No,not true at least to me.

i found women more attractive if wearing long pants than showing flesh which is disgusting to me.

Why should your bizarre hang-yups and insecurities concern anyone else?

 

[Father Heathen]

Thats true.
i don't think because of hot weather.could it be for temptation.
better to ask women why they prefer to wear in such way.

Because they don't want a primitive, oppressive culture dictating their lives.

 

[Father Heathen]

That men are over dressed.

:clap

 

[Madhuri]

I always see people arguing one extreme or the other in this topic.

If I could go around showing off my body by wearing next to nothing and not feel harassed by men then I wouldn't care. But the truth is there are a lot of guys who make me feel very unsafe if I dress that way. A lot of the girls who do dress in skimpy clothing are desperate for attention. That isn't healthy. And because they are so easy, the men stop looking for mature and stable women. So those women who do like to dress more modestly get a lot less attention and have a lot less options.

If men were less easily aroused, a lot more mature, and a great deal more respectful toward women, I'd actually agree that wearing little clothing is fine. But as it is, my experience and observation as a western woman is that our sex crazed culture is unhealthy and takes advantage of women.

 

[Caladan]

I always see people arguing one extreme or the other in this topic.

If I could go around showing off my body by wearing next to nothing and not feel harassed by men then I wouldn't care. But the truth is there are a lot of guys who make me feel very unsafe if I dress that way. A lot of the girls who do dress in skimpy clothing are desperate for attention. That isn't healthy. And because they are so easy, the men stop looking for mature and stable women. So those women who do like to dress more modestly get a lot less attention and have a lot less options.

If men were less easily aroused, a lot more mature, and a great deal more respectful toward women, I'd actually agree that wearing little clothing is fine. But as it is, my experience and observation as a western woman is that our sex crazed culture is unhealthy and takes advantage of women.

Damn you make Australia sound like ancient Greece.

Seriously though, there are plenty of alternatives in the spectrum other than wearing 'next to nothing'.

 

[idea]

...And because they are so easy, the men stop looking for mature and stable women. So those women who do like to dress more modestly get a lot less attention and have a lot less options..

There are decent guys out there, dressing in less is not actually attractive on most people who do it. There are many people who are turned off by it.
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A Guy's View on Modesty: Modest is Hottest--For Young Women - YouTube

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Men's View on Modesty - YouTube

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I also think those who dress immodestly in public are harming the children they display themselves to, and if you go out in public, you are going to run into children.

 

[Madhuri]

Damn you make Australia sound like ancient Greece.

Seriously though, there are plenty of alternatives in the spectrum other than wearing 'close to nothing'.

When I say modest I don't mean nun garments. A modest woman in my culture just means at least to the knees and not showing cleavage.
I don't believe in a black and white reality. What is modest an immodest is entirely cultural from my pov.

Actually my experience over in America was the same as in Aus. If I'm dressed even slightly sexily then I attract a lot of unwelcome attention from strange men who actually go as far as to make me feel unsafe. It's not that all men are creeps but there are enough creeps to make wearing a simple low cut top an uncomfortable experience.

 

[Madhuri]

There are decent guys out there, dressing in less is not actually attractive on most people who do it. There are many people who are turned off by it.

I know and one thing I've realised is that most of these guys have had religious upbringings.

 

[Straw Dog]

One thing that seems to play a part in why men are more likely to wear long pants is because men are far sexier in long pants. A guy with shorts in less appealing to women. Men look more powerful and handsome in suits than in casual wear.

I don't know. I also think women can look quite appealing in business attire. Then again, that might just be because I'm attracted to women in power.

 

[Straw Dog]

The issue isn't necessarily what women wear, but rather how men react to them. A man with a disciplined and mature mindset should be able to respect women as they are without objectifying or condemning them. In some cases, women may be objectifying themselves by seeking unhealthy attention however. Discipline swings both ways.

I'm also confused why it was decided to put this in the science section. Are you saying this is proof or creationism or...?

 

[idea]

I know and one thing I've realised is that most of these guys have had religious upbringings.

My grandparents have been married for 75 years. They are not religious people, don't claim any denomination, don't go to church, but my grandfather once hit someone over the head with a crowbar for talking trash about women. My grandmother actually chose to be with my grandfather over religion (she thought she had to choose between devoting herself to God, or devoting herself to her husband, and she chose to get married rather than stay with any church) - I guess you could say they understand the beauty of monogamy, of having a soul mate, despite religion... but I agree, most people who "get it" are religious.... although there is more to the monogamy/loyalty/higher relationship ideal than just doing it because God said so.

 

[Madhuri]

I don't know. I also think women can look quite appealing in business attire. Then again, that might just be because I'm attracted to women in power.

There's a difference between looking beautiful and making yourself look like something that has become culturally associated with 'being easy'. That's why a woman can look sexy in a business suit but be treated respectfully and why another woman can wear a low cut top and short shorts and be treated like a prostitute by creepy men.

 

[Madhuri]

My grandparents have been married for 75 years. They are not religious people, don't claim any denomination, don't go to church, but my grandfather once hit someone over the head with a crowbar for talking trash about women. My grandmother actually chose to be with my grandfather over religion (she thought she had to choose between devoting herself to God, or devoting herself to her husband, and she chose to get married rather than stay with any church) - they understand the beauty of monogamy, of having a soul mate, despite religion... but I agree, most people who "get it" are religious.

Consider that your grandparents grew up in a society that was mostly religious and based on religious morals. The culture was not as sexually oriented as it is today and did not allow the public sexual freedoms that exist today. It's the same story with my grandparents who never dated anybody else and never divorced despite not actually being very religious.

 

[Madhuri]

The issue isn't necessarily what women wear, but rather how men react to them. A man with a disciplined and mature mindset should be able to respect women as they are without objectifying or condemning them. In some cases, women may be objectifying themselves by seeking unhealthy attention however. Discipline swings both ways.

I've noticed that especially among the younger generations, guys seem to confuse reduced garments on women as a sign that she wants sex and is happy to be approached by anybody for it whereas women assume that only creepy guys would experience lust by seeing her body and somehow she will be able to attract a really nice guy with these clothes.

We have different sexual psychology but we don't quite understand each others' differences, especially at a young age.

 

[idea]

Consider that your grandparents grew up in a society that was mostly religious and based on religious morals. The culture was not as sexually oriented as it is today and did not allow the public sexual freedoms that exist today. It's the same story with my grandparents who never dated anybody else and never divorced despite not actually being very religious.

Yes, although I don't think my grandparents stayed together because of social pressures. I think they stayed together, and are still together, because they really do love one another.

 

[Caladan]

When I say modest I don't mean nun garments. A modest woman in my culture just means at least to the knees and not showing cleavage.
I don't believe in a black and white reality. What is modest an immodest is entirely cultural from my pov.

It's all relative of course. But in light of the OP, a casual dress for women which dosen't involve covering all skin or even head is perfectly normal. I don't see why it has to go to the extreme. Or why any exposed skin is an indication for degradation.
How much covering is adequately 'modest'? and how much skin is an indication that people in the west have no morals?

 

[idea]

one more post - watch this:
KarmaTube: Danny and Annie

when a guy is happily married, there is a shelter... it's like having a colored TV, you never want to go back to black and white....

Love really does exist... you don't have to settle for cheap imitations. That is what it really comes down to, if you believe in higher forms of love or not.

 

[Father Heathen]

I always see people arguing one extreme or the other in this topic.

Two extremes? It's a matter of freedom vs. oppression, choice vs. no choice. I never said there was anything wrong with modesty if that's what the individual desires.