Men in the West are dressed in full; women are dressed half , quarter or less

[Bismillah]

It's the byproduct of a culture that objectifies, commercializes, and places price tags on women.

 

[Caladan]

It's the byproduct of a culture that objectifies, commercializes, and places price tags on women.

As opposed to objectifying women in Islamic societies? I hope you don't put on a straight face when you say that.
Islamic societies objectify just the same, the only difference is that in many NON Islamic societies there is much more relative freedom and less vulnerability of women to the system and the culture. Women are not an object to be placed in the kitchen, as a machine for producing babies, as a human being with no capabilities to walk unescorted without male observance, or drive cars, or stray from any traditional role enforced on them and which objectifies them as in God forbid the ability to vote, or develop a career. And I'm not even discussing the widespread sexual harassment of women in Islamic societies, because that would really be opening up a can of worms.

 

[Bismillah]

Do you intend to bring up irrelevant and tangential information in every thread I am in? Reconsider that one I am living in a Western society on what charge or connection do you associate Saudi or Iranian culture to me for example?

Do I deny the objectification of women in Muslim society? No.

Do I agree with placing women within constraints such as these "Women are not an object to be placed in the kitchen, as a machine for producing babies, as a human being with no capabilities to walk unescorted without male observance, or drive cars, or stray from any traditional role enforced on them and which objectifies them as in God forbid the ability to vote, or develop a career." No.

Does your paragraph have any relation to the original topic? No.v

But it is pretty common place to have these diversions placed like a knee-jerk reaction every-time I criticize these aspects, I expect them but it does not diminish what I said.

 

[Caladan]

Do you intend to bring up irrelevant and tangential information in every thread I am in?

There you go:

For years, Egyptian women have put up with sexual harassment, simply for walking down the street.
Now they are coming out into the open to say 'enough is enough'. At a rally in Tahrir Square last month, female protesters came under attack.
Water was thrown into the crowd in an attempt to repel the mob of men who were groping women and trying to remove their clothes.
An anti-harassment demonstration became itself a target for harassment.
What used to be a silent shame has now been thrust into the open, with exhibitions and events.
The revolution in Egypt has raised the expectations of many women.

Source: Vocalising sexual harassment in Egypt - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

 

[Bismillah]

For shame you are digging yourself only a deeper hole or did you gloss over my entire response?

 

[Caladan]

For shame you are digging yourself only a deeper hole or did you gloss over my entire response?

Yes. And I still find your little statement about the objectification of women in the west to be grotesque. Now, if you would discuss the objectification of all women in human society, it might have looked more constructive... and honest. But alas, it's not the frist time male Muslim members create threads about their self righteous misconceptions of women and the west.

 

[Bismillah]

objectification of women in the west to be grotesque

Yes blunt statements are hard to take.

the objectification of all women in human society

We are discussing "Men in the West are dressed in full; women are dressed half , quarter or less" what leap of thinking lead to humanity in large.

 

[Caladan]

Yes blunt statements are hard to take.

We are discussing "Men in the West are dressed in full; women are dressed half , quarter or less" what leap of thinking lead to humanity in large.

Exactly. Another self righteous preception about women and 'western society'. The entire OP is self righteous and reeks of ignorance.

 

[Debater Slayer]

There you go:



Source: Vocalising sexual harassment in Egypt - Middle East - Al Jazeera English

As an Egyptian, the rates of sexual harassment in the country deeply sadden me. It is a problem that definitely needs to be solved. We can only hope that more and more people will join forces with the anti-sexual harassment movements until the problem is extinguished — or at least diminished enough as to be easier to put under control. A country like Egypt has far more potential for progress than it has been showing in the last few decades, in my opinion.

I don't think that pointing out the problems of a culture necessarily implies that one is ignoring other cultures' problems, though; it just means that both have issues that need to be dealt with.

 

[Father Heathen]

Even then most men dress in full.

Women are not property of men; that is OK; but then why get dressed less?

Because being less dressed has nothing to do with being property of men.

 

[Bismillah]

Exactly. Another self righteous preception about women and 'western society'. The entire OP is self righteous and reeks of ignorance.

There is nothing ignorant about questioning one's own society, it tends to be progressive actually.

 

[michel]

What does it show?

in the case of women, more flesh............

To be serious though, my son married a Spanish woman; when she first came to England, she looked all around, and asked "Do all women here dress like prostitutes?"...maybe a bit strong, and not true, but I see her point.

 

[painted wolf]

Even then most men dress in full.

Women are not property of men; that is OK; but then why get dressed less?

Because wearing a burka sucks.

Women dress however they want to. I personally prefer baggy T-shirts and jeans when dressing casually.

wa:do

 

[painted wolf]

There is nothing ignorant about questioning one's own society, it tends to be progressive actually.

"the west" is not a society.... it's a collection of many varied societies. You wouldn't expect me to claim that "middle eastern society" is a valid group. Saudi's are not the same as Iranians or Jordanians or Israelis and so on.

The problem isn't questioning why some women choose to dress they way they do... the problem is assuming that every woman in "the west" is exactly the same.

wa:do

 

[FearGod]

Because wearing a burka sucks.

Women dress however they want to. I personally prefer baggy T-shirts and jeans when dressing casually.

wa:do

Do women at old ages over 80s were attractive less wears such as very tight jeans or shorts...etc

 

[Falvlun]

It is one's own decision as to how one dresses. I wanted to know as to why after nineteenth century women are usually less dressed than men in the West. What factors lead to it?

I would say the trend has been less clothing for both men and women. Why are you only focused on the women?

One factor, I think, could be that due to world wars; men got more killed in the wars and there were more women and less men; so there was a competition in the women to attract the men.
I think this has resulted into ultimately husbands cheating their wives sexually; more divorces; more family break-ups etc..

Are you saying that women wearing shorts and a t-shirt are leading men to cheat more? Or are you saying that the surplus of women caused men to cheat more?

Regardless, that is a problem for men to solve: they need to learn to take responsibility and learn some control already. Making women wear more clothing will never solve these problems. It will just make things like ankles and forearms and eyeslits sexy.

And I still find the entire premise of your OP-- that women are half-dressed in comparison to men-- to be suspect. Sometimes women wear less than men, sometimes men wear less than women, and generally (like at work or in other nice-dress occasions) the genders are basically equal.

 

[painted wolf]

Do women at old ages over 80s were attractive less wears such as very tight jeans or shorts...etc

I've seen plenty of older ladies wearing shorts and t-shirts.

I've seen plenty of younger ladies in ankle length dresses. There isn't a single "look" for every woman and we are free to choose what clothing we want to wear at any given time.

wa:do

 

[jasonwill2]

Do you intend to bring up irrelevant and tangential information in every thread I am in? Reconsider that one I am living in a Western society on what charge or connection do you associate Saudi or Iranian culture to me for example?

Do I deny the objectification of women in Muslim society? No.

Do I agree with placing women within constraints such as these "Women are not an object to be placed in the kitchen, as a machine for producing babies, as a human being with no capabilities to walk unescorted without male observance, or drive cars, or stray from any traditional role enforced on them and which objectifies them as in God forbid the ability to vote, or develop a career." No.

Does your paragraph have any relation to the original topic? No.v

But it is pretty common place to have these diversions placed like a knee-jerk reaction every-time I criticize these aspects, I expect them but it does not diminish what I said.

Caladan I think he kind of has a point, I never saw him advocate or condone how woman are treated in the Middle East, and he said he lives in a Western country.

What he said was that woman are oversexualized and that this sexuality is commercialized, and that is a good point. Both cultures objectify women to some degree or another in a number of ways (let's not get into who is worse about this though). Attacking something he never defended in the first place because of your casual connection of his religion and what others in his religion did is presumptuous and jumping the gun at best.

 

[Bismillah]

"the west" is not a society.... it's a collection of many varied societies. You wouldn't expect me to claim that "middle eastern society" is a valid group. Saudi's are not the same as Iranians or Jordanians or Israelis and so on.

I didn't pick the term nor do I disagree with the fact that it is a generalising one. However what it does well is give arise to the connotation of first world European countries (and their colonies) which is what is being discussed no? Within all of these societies, as far as I am knowledgable of, there is variance among women naturally with populations this large but social media and public perception of women is another thing entirely. If you flip through any makeup or clothing advertisement it is selling the sexuality of women and placing a price tag on it.

The type of mentality in this regard is, to me, disgusting.

 

[FearGod]

i just wonder if using women's body as a sexual object as we can see it today in the commercial advertisements is a kind of women's freedom and liberty.