Men in the West are dressed in full; women are dressed half , quarter or less

[painted wolf]

I didn't pick the term nor do I disagree with the fact that it is a generalising one. However what it does well is give arise to the connotation of first world European countries (and their colonies) which is what is being discussed no? Within all of these societies, as far as I am knowledgable of, there is variance among women naturally with populations this large but social media and public perception of women is another thing entirely. If you flip through any makeup or clothing advertisement it is selling the sexuality of women and placing a price tag on it.

The type of mentality in this regard is, to me, disgusting.

Advertizing is a poor way to judge. Real people don't look like advertizing. Not to mention that men are treated the same way in advertizing, posing in skimpy underwear in suggestive poses.

Sex has been used to sell products since advertizing became an industry... so perhaps the real problem is advertizing.

wa:do

 

[painted wolf]

i just wonder if using women's body as a sexual object as we can see it today in the commercial advertisements is a kind of women's freedom and liberty.

I don't know... is it the same way with using men's bodies as sexual objects in advertizing?



wa:do

 

[FearGod]

I don't know... is it the same way with using men's bodies as sexual objects in advertizing?



wa:do

Do you think he is a sexual object,i wonder if he really make any effect on any woman but maybe for men whom attracted to similar men,i am even doubt about it.

How you compare it to the one sample which i tried even to choose an inoffensive one for women's advertisement

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I suddenly really REALLY love this thread....

 

[Falvlun]

Do you think he is a sexual object,i wonder if he really make any effect on any woman but maybe for men whom attracted to similar men,i am even doubt about it.

How you compare it to the one sample which i tried even to choose an inoffensive one for women's advertisement

For the record, that guy is definitely sexy. *drools*

Also, Axe is known for their racy, sex-laced commercials. Advertisers like Victoria Secret and Go-Daddy and Axe shouldn't be considered the norm for even a sex-crazed industry as advertisement; they're at an extreme end.

 

[jasonwill2]

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Darn it! I was already horny but wanted to use that latent sexual energy for doing more productive things!

We will see who wins in the end! >.>

 

[painted wolf]

So nearly naked men in suggestive poses are no big deal... but a woman in a swim suit is scandalous.

*sigh*

wa:do

 

[Bismillah]

Advertizing is a poor way to judge.

Why is advertising a poor way to judge? It reflects social and cultural norms based on need and want.

Real people don't look like advertizing.

What does that even mean? "Real people"? Advertisement has a real and tangible impact on people otherwise the vast sum of money and competition that goes behind such PR campaigns wouldn't exist.

Not to mention that men are treated the same way in advertizing, posing in skimpy underwear in suggestive poses.

To a certain extent yes and that too I find deplorable condensing humanity down to a primal urge of sex and lust and creating that as an aspiring ideal for both men and women. There is so much more to people and life than that.

Sex has been used to sell products since advertizing became an industry... so perhaps the real problem is advertizing.

Oh I agree advertising is a real factor wen it comes to the objectification of women.

 

[chinu]

What does it show?

It shows that womens saves more than men's.

 

[painted wolf]

Why is advertising a poor way to judge? It reflects social and cultural norms based on need and want.

LoL... not really. It attempts to manufacturer desires but it doesn't reflect need or want.

What does that even mean? "Real people"? Advertisement has a real and tangible impact on people otherwise the vast sum of money and competition that goes behind such PR campaigns wouldn't exist.

I mean that actual people in the west do not look like what you see in advertizements. Even the models don't really look like that, they have been altered using makeup and mostly with computer editing software.
This is what actual Americans look like. (you will notice a lack of scantily clad supermodels and notice that the women are dressed just as much as the men.)

To a certain extent yes and that too I find deplorable condensing humanity down to a primal urge of sex and lust and creating that as an aspiring ideal for both men and women. There is so much more to people and life than that.

Yeah well most people in "the west" would agree with you. But that is the imagery that the industry continues to put out despite our protests.

Oh I agree advertising is a real factor wen it comes to the objectification of women.

And men. Objectification isn't a one way street. But claiming that women in the west run around nearly naked all the time because you saw it in a magazine ad is laughable at best.

To claim that "the west" objectifies women more than a culture where a woman will be beaten for showing her ankle is sadly ironic.

wa:do

 

[FearGod]

So nearly naked men in suggestive poses are no big deal... but a woman in a swim suit is scandalous.

*sigh*

wa:do

What about her gesture of taking off her bra putting her hands on her boobs.

 

[jasonwill2]

What about her gesture of taking off her bra putting her hands
on her boobs.

It turns me on.

 

[paarsurrey]

As opposed to objectifying women in Islamic societies? I hope you don't put on a straight face when you say that.
Islamic societies objectify just the same, the only difference is that in many NON Islamic societies there is much more relative freedom and less vulnerability of women to the system and the culture. Women are not an object to be placed in the kitchen, as a machine for producing babies, as a human being with no capabilities to walk unescorted without male observance, or drive cars, or stray from any traditional role enforced on them and which objectifies them as in God forbid the ability to vote, or develop a career. And I'm not even discussing the widespread sexual harassment of women in Islamic societies, because that would really be opening up a can of worms.

I agree to the many good aspects that West has brought up for the women which do lack in many countries who do wrong things in the name of religion; Quran is not to be blamed for that as it has no such teachings, in my opinion.

But, I think, West has gone to the other side of the pendulum.

 

[paarsurrey]

Do you intend to bring up irrelevant and tangential information in every thread I am in? Reconsider that one I am living in a Western society on what charge or connection do you associate Saudi or Iranian culture to me for example?

Do I deny the objectification of women in Muslim society? No.

Do I agree with placing women within constraints such as these "Women are not an object to be placed in the kitchen, as a machine for producing babies, as a human being with no capabilities to walk unescorted without male observance, or drive cars, or stray from any traditional role enforced on them and which objectifies them as in God forbid the ability to vote, or develop a career." No.

Does your paragraph have any relation to the original topic? No.v

But it is pretty common place to have these diversions placed like a knee-jerk reaction every-time I criticize these aspects, I expect them but it does not diminish what I said.

I agree.

Saudi or Iranian culture do not represent Islam/Quran/Muhammad; they are just like other countries in the world, they just rule.

 

[paarsurrey]

Exactly. Another self righteous preception about women and 'western society'. The entire OP is self righteous and reeks of ignorance.

I don't claim to be a pious person; I don't claim to have any knowledge whatsoever. Are things in the West not to be discussed here? I think it is an open forum.

I just point out the women are as beautiful as ever to the men in whatever dress they are; they were no less beautiful in the Victorian times; later the culture in the West changed, maybe for the two world wars and then men remained as they were to the most extent but the women changed as I pointed out; with the result, I think, rate of families breaking up and divorces increased than in the nineteenth century in the West, in my opinion.

If it did not happen, then I am wrong.

 

[paarsurrey]

As an Egyptian, the rates of sexual harassment in the country deeply sadden me. It is a problem that definitely needs to be solved. We can only hope that more and more people will join forces with the anti-sexual harassment movements until the problem is extinguished — or at least diminished enough as to be easier to put under control. A country like Egypt has far more potential for progress than it has been showing in the last few decades, in my opinion.

I don't think that pointing out the problems of a culture necessarily implies that one is ignoring other cultures' problems, though; it just means that both have issues that need to be dealt with.

I agree with you.
I also condemn harassment of women and Christians in Egypt.

 

[paarsurrey]

in the case of women, more flesh............

To be serious though, my son married a Spanish woman; when she first came to England, she looked all around, and asked "Do all women here dress like prostitutes?"...maybe a bit strong, and not true, but I see her point.

Women are more respectful and not less beautiful if they are dressed in full like men; why do the women have gone in an inferiority complex in the West?

This is just my opinion; I may be wrong.

 

[paarsurrey]

Because wearing a burka sucks.

Women dress however they want to. I personally prefer baggy T-shirts and jeans when dressing casually.

wa:do

Baggy T-shirts and Jeans are OK, I think.
Quran does not mention of any burka, however .

 

[paarsurrey]

"the west" is not a society.... it's a collection of many varied societies. You wouldn't expect me to claim that "middle eastern society" is a valid group. Saudi's are not the same as Iranians or Jordanians or Israelis and so on.

The problem isn't questioning why some women choose to dress they way they do... the problem is assuming that every woman in "the west" is exactly the same.

wa:do

Oh no; they are diverse.

I was comparing West in the Victorian period and West in the present times. Didn't I?

 

[Zoe Doidge]

Women are more respectful and not less beautiful if they are dressed in full like men; why do the women have gone in an inferiority complex in the West?

This is just my opinion; I may be wrong.

Different people have different tastes. Some women prefer to show off their bodies more than others. Some men like skimpy clothes and some don't. It's really as simple as that.